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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:02 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:02 am to 50_Tiger
quote:So like I said, our top 4 players would make about exactly the same in 25-26 as our top 4 players in 23-24, right?
Trey will get 25M a year easily.
Herb ~15-18M
So what's the issue?
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Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:03 am to 50_Tiger
If Trey continues to improve. I can see him paid more. The guy is honestly a prototype for todays game- 3 pt shooting, dunks, athletic, etc. Another great analytics player.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:08 am to shel311
Shamit literally covered this subject.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:09 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Explain it then.
Shamit literally covered this subject.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:12 am to shel311
Our top 4 players next season are making $118.5mil with a luxury threshold of of $162 mil. So our top 4 players are 72.8% of the luxury line.
If we trade CJ, our top 4 players in 2025 will make roughly $120mil with a projected(Spotrac) luxury treshold of $190 mil. So our top 4 players would be roughly 63% of the luxury line in 25-26.
Do you agree with the above as rough estimates? If it's way off, show me where.
If we trade CJ, our top 4 players in 2025 will make roughly $120mil with a projected(Spotrac) luxury treshold of $190 mil. So our top 4 players would be roughly 63% of the luxury line in 25-26.
Do you agree with the above as rough estimates? If it's way off, show me where.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:14 am to shel311
I’ve had this discussion with shell. His theory and hes not wrong relies on trading CJ. Where I disagree with him is that I don’t think it’ll be easy to trade CJ and we’ll have to dump a first to do it. I think pelicans dont want to waste a first to dump CJ and honestly would prefer to hold onto him for culture purposes.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:17 am to 50_Tiger
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Trey will get 25M a year easily. Herb ~15-18M
So if that’s the case, how does taking out the current $40M owed to CJ, Trey and Herb not equate to $40M being available to Herb and Trey?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:25 am to shel311
To re-sign BI it will be 30% of the teams salary cap because we traded for him with his rookie deal. This assumes BI does not make an All NBA team in the next two seasons because then that contract goes to 35% of the teams salary cap (Super Max Elligible)
The actual 2023-2024 Salary Cap is 134M. The estimated per year increases for the Salary Cap is 15M per year. So by 2025-2026 the est Salary CAP should be somehwere between 165-180M estimate.
30% of (165-180M) is 49.5-54M per yeah for BI to resign at the Current Max, EVEN Higher if he obtains the Super Max.
Zion's salary for 2025-2026 when BI is a UFA is 38.8M
If we assume Trey will settle for 25M (but hes about a year away from being a rookie max player) thats 114M accounted for 3 players.
You still need a Center, Bench, Paying Herb, Trading CJ or that 32 million will count.
You literally end up where you are now with the same team that has done literally nothing for the last 4 years.
Its actually dumb to suggest this is the path forward.
The actual 2023-2024 Salary Cap is 134M. The estimated per year increases for the Salary Cap is 15M per year. So by 2025-2026 the est Salary CAP should be somehwere between 165-180M estimate.
30% of (165-180M) is 49.5-54M per yeah for BI to resign at the Current Max, EVEN Higher if he obtains the Super Max.
Zion's salary for 2025-2026 when BI is a UFA is 38.8M
If we assume Trey will settle for 25M (but hes about a year away from being a rookie max player) thats 114M accounted for 3 players.
You still need a Center, Bench, Paying Herb, Trading CJ or that 32 million will count.
You literally end up where you are now with the same team that has done literally nothing for the last 4 years.
Its actually dumb to suggest this is the path forward.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:30 am to 50_Tiger
30% of the league cap is estimated to be $43.4M in 2024/25, $46.6M for the next year, per google. Any idea what they're talking about?
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:31 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Using $50mil for BI, and the 25 & 15 for Trey/Herb, that still puts our top 4 players in 25 at 67% of the luxury tax line.
30% of (165-180M) is 49.5-54M per yeah for BI to resign at the Current Max, EVEN Higher if he obtains the Super Max.
That is lower than next season's 72%.
You still haven't showed me why it can't be done financially.
quote:Just like we do now and next season where our top 4 players will make more as a % of the luxury line, but we still have it done and don't have a super thin roster as is.
Zion's salary for 2025-2026 when BI is a UFA is 38.8M
If we assume Trey will settle for 25M (but hes about a year away from being a rookie max player) thats 114M accounted for 3 players.
You still need a Center, Bench, Paying Herb, Trading CJ or that 32 million will count.
quote:So that's a different argument. You're arguing you don't want it, but a few posts ago you were saying we couldn't do it financially.
You literally end up where you are now with the same team that has done literally nothing for the last 4 years.
Its actually dumb to suggest this is the path forward.
We can do it financially, but you just don't want it, which is fine. Just not what you said previously.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:32 am to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:BI can sign an extension next offseason I believe but it won't kick in until 2025-2026, so that is when the 30% will kick in. Per Spotrac, the cap will be projected at $157 mil, so 30% would be roughly $47mil to start out at.
30% of the league cap is estimated to be $43.4M in 2024/25, $46.6M for the next year, per google. Any idea what they're talking about?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:34 am to shel311
Word, so google wasn't too far off with the 46.6
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:41 am to SCLSUMuddogs
While still not as confusing as the NFL, the NBA salary cap/contract stuff has never been my strong suit
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:46 am to shel311
quote:
So that's a different argument. You're arguing you don't want it, but a few posts ago you were saying we couldn't do it financially.
We can do it financially, but you just don't want it, which is fine. Just not what you said previously.
No we literally cannot keep the same team (I prob need to edit the other post). We can only keep Zion/BI/Trey/Herb and have mid range players fit the rest of the team.
Letting BI go gives you space to field a significantly better team in the long term.
Its really that simple.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:48 am to 50_Tiger
Losing BI would indeed save us money. We're never getting another player of that caliber to sign here as a free agent though. Probably a good idea to keep the great players who want to be here
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:50 am to 50_Tiger
quote:It's not the same team, it's moving CJ instead of BI. But you haven't explained why we can't.
No we literally cannot keep the same team (I prob need to edit the other post). We can only keep Zion/BI/Trey/Herb and have mid range players fit the rest of the team.
If we trade CJ, our top 4 players in Zion/BI/Herb/Trey will make a smaller % of the luxury tax line than our top 4 this coming season, so why can't it be done? You can't say we'd have to pay the rest of the roster as the answer, because we have to pay the rest of the roster next season too, and we have a solid core of 9-10 guys even with those top 4 accounting for such a high % of the luxury tax line, so we know it can be done.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:53 am to shel311
Also, if we move BI now so we can have long term deals for Zion/Trey/Herb...aren't we going to be in the same exact position 4 years from now with Scoot where we can't afford Scoot without getting rid of or not resigning one of Zion/Trey/Herb?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:56 am to shel311
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Also, if we move BI now so we can have long term deals for Zion/Trey/Herb...aren't we going to be in the same exact position 4 years from now with Scoot where we can't afford Scoot without getting rid of or not resigning one of Zion/Trey/Herb?
No Scoot would be a roughly 15M per year savings in the Rookie Max opposed to the Vet Max or SuperMax.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:59 am to shel311
It just seems like a bad idea and I feel like it would be a bad look. BI is one of the only dudes we have who is dedicated to basketball and doesn't have off-court distractions. He also seems to like it hear and has committed to the team. Trading him away would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
With the Zion talk I can at least understand it. We have no idea if he's truly committed to basketball, but indications are that other things in his life take priority over the game.
With the Zion talk I can at least understand it. We have no idea if he's truly committed to basketball, but indications are that other things in his life take priority over the game.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/15/23 at 10:59 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Fair point
No Scoot would be a roughly 15M per year savings in the Rookie Max opposed to the Vet Max or SuperMax.
Back to our top 4, saving 9% on our top 4 players up to the luxury line is the equivalent in 2025 of $17mil extra for the rest of the roster, so I'm still not understanding why we can't pay our top 4 players roughly 63% of the luxury line in 2025 if we can pay them 72% of the luxury line while rounding out a solid roster in 2023?
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