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re: San Antonio and Oklahoma City how did they turn it around in last 3-4 years?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:51 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:51 pm to NOSHAU
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Your love affair with Dyson is becoming borderline creepy.
Am I ? I made one thread saying how he’s won more post season awards then the Pels combined the last five years a few weeks ago and one the year before after he won his awards. So two threads over the last two years.
Other posters, and they know who they are, have made several the last few years, especially after he was traded, where I get called out in them. So it’s a love affair b/c I respond now ?
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 10:55 pm
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Posted on 6/4/26 at 7:16 am to Townedrunkard
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like I still remember you making fun of Dyson a few weeks ago because he was having trouble guarding Brunson. You know the guy that has now led his team to 12 playoff wins in a row and was named ECF MVP…..
That's a nice way of saying Dyson had a horrible playoffs
Posted on 6/4/26 at 10:12 am to Soggymoss
quote:It’s not luck. Good GMs put the franchise in the position to take advantage of opportunities that come their way.
OKC lucked into the Clippers being stupid and trading them SGA along with a bunch of great picks. Spurs lucked into the league kissing Pops arse and getting Wemby.
Sometimes a little luck has to go your way, but when a good GM has set the franchise up with a good position on the chess board, luck will find them.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 10:54 am to PrimeTime Money
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It’s not luck.
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Sometimes a little luck has to go your way, but when a good GM has set the franchise up with a good position on the chess board, luck will find them.
So it is luck?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
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It’s not luck. Good GMs put the franchise in the position to take advantage of opportunities that come their way.
Without OKC being lucky enough for Clippers to want an over the hill PG they never get this haul.
SGA who is a league MVP
Tre Mann (18th pick)
Jalen Williams (12th pick)
Cason Wallace (10th pick)
Nikola Topic (12th pick)
12th pick in 2026 draft
So to recap they received a league MVP, 4 lottery picks and a top 20 pick. That absolutely is luck
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/5/26 at 5:29 pm to Soggymoss
quote:But it’s not. It’s an opportunity. Good GMs collect assets and remain flexible so that when opportunities arise, they are in the best position to pounce. Sam Presti put OKC in that position. That wasn’t an accident and that wasn’t luck.
Without OKC being lucky enough for Clippers to want an over the hill PG they never get this haul.
SGA who is a league MVP
Tre Mann (18th pick)
Jalen Williams (12th pick)
Cason Wallace (10th pick)
Nikola Topic (12th pick)
12th pick in 2026 draft
So to recap they received a league MVP, 4 lottery picks and a top 20 pick. That absolutely is luck
Simply calling it luck completely undersells the incredible work OKC’s front office did. He had a plan and made the moves to collect an insane amount of assets, and was smart in knowing when to cash those assets in. Lots of work went into making it all happen.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 5:34 pm to Dantheman504
quote:The only luck is in the draft lottery. But the Pelicans also had luck go their way, and they completely squandered it. Twice.
So it is luck?
When a competent franchise gets an opportunity with a little luck going their way, they nail it. It’s not an accident OKC and the Spurs have been good for so long.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 6:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
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and they completely squandered it. Twice.
I'm so tired of this bullshite take
Like its the Pels fault Davis was made of glass and we were perpetually injured
Pels also made Zion not care. Totally our faults.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:24 am to whatiknowsofar
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if Cousins doesnt pop his achilles
Then, perhaps
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Zion cared
Not every great talent is a great leader. Zion certainly isn't
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:25 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:It’s not just about AD and Zion. Did the Pels have a real plan to build around them? Their teams sucked. The coaches sucked. The Pels had two shots at building a contender, and not only did they not build a contender, they never even got close. Competent franchises have a plan and a vision and are serious about winning. Do you think that describes the Pels with AD and Zion?
I'm so tired of this bullshite take
Like its the Pels fault Davis was made of glass and we were perpetually injured
Pels also made Zion not care. Totally our faults.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:45 am to PrimeTime Money
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It’s not just about AD and Zion. Did the Pels have a real plan to build around them? Their teams sucked. The coaches sucked.
Again, just revisionist bullshite. Some of the teams were injured with AD, and the Boogie year we made the 2nd round and ran into the Warriors. We had a plan we just never got to see it work out. We also made the playoffs another year and ran into the Warriors.
And how do you build a team around a generational athlete that doesnt care and is perpetually injured that doesnt develop? We got CJ, Ingram, herb jones, and other dudes that got us into the playoffs and play in 3 years in a row. Those teams were really good and flawed mainly due to our franchise player not being good enough to be a franchise player.
Did Dell and Griff make mistakes? Of course, theres no such thing as a GM that makes only great decisions and never gets lucky. They both made some good moves and some bad ones, and both got fricked over by their respective superstars they drafted.
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The Pels had two shots at building a contender, and not only did they not build a contender, they never even got close. Competent franchises have a plan and a vision and are serious about winning. Do you think that describes the Pels with AD and Zion?
They drafted two injury prone players as the franchise. The Pels were serious about winning up until last year when they fired the guy that got Gayle to spend money. Now theres a frickton of malaise and apathy that I dont know if we can get out of, but I'll be damned if I'm just going to sit here and pretend that it's the orgs fault AD and Z didn't work out, its way more on those dudes and their bodies failing than it is on the Pels.
We did build good teams, some were even really good. But you cant put a fricking puzzle together when you dont even get to use all the pieces.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:58 am to whatiknowsofar
I think you don't put enough blame on the organization. Culture and accountability was always lacking. There were no standard put in place and the expectations of results weren't there.
I put as much blame on the organization as I do the player. Their talents weren't the issue. If this organization had the culture and mindset of a Miami, these guys would have never gotten away with the BS they have been year in and year out.
Tough love was never a thing here and they didn't have a guy who had enough respect to demand it.
I put as much blame on the organization as I do the player. Their talents weren't the issue. If this organization had the culture and mindset of a Miami, these guys would have never gotten away with the BS they have been year in and year out.
Tough love was never a thing here and they didn't have a guy who had enough respect to demand it.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:00 am to supe12sta12z
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think you don't put enough blame on the organization. Culture and accountability was always lacking. There were no standard put in place and the expectations of results weren't there.
Michael Jordan got drafted to an organization with dudes doing coke before game days. Accountability and culture is self created. AD and Zion arent leaders. Hard to build a culture when your star players arent leaders.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:01 am to whatiknowsofar
Michael Jordan was 1 of 1. That's not a good comparison.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:08 am to supe12sta12z
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Michael Jordan was 1 of 1. That's not a good comparison.
Even still, theres plenty of dudes in the league that want to win, but you cant be a leader if you arent on the court. I've listened to tons of player interviews, and they all said the main leaders of title teams were the best players, and the ones that tried to lead but couldnt were mainly due to them always being hurt or not good enough.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:21 am to whatiknowsofar
Both AD and Zion wants to win. That's never been a question for me. But they don't want to be uncomfortable doing it. That's where tough love and guidance were needed. We coddled their softness, protected them from criticisms, and even place blame on everyone else around them. We did everything we could to enable them early on and that's the result of our poor decisions. The fact that Zion got away with so much shite during the Griffin era while being protected is the biggest downfall. Griffin coming out giving every single excuse for Zion being fat during his rookie year was the beginning of the end. Now compare that to Embiid getting absolutely lambasted by coangelo early on in his career for being fat and injured put his arse in line.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:45 am to supe12sta12z
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We coddled their softness, protected them from criticisms, and even place blame on everyone else around them
Griff may have done that to an extent with Zion, but Monty made a list of players he thought was better than AD and gave it to him. CJ stayed on Zions arse constantly, and was a great move by Griff to motivate him.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:57 am to whatiknowsofar
Uncle Al most definitely enabled AD. Motherfricker went to the Lakers and they eventually said you're playing center so stfu. And he did. You keep trying to find excuses to avoid putting blame on the organization. They may not be completely at fault but they played a big role in harboring their weak mentality.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/6/26 at 4:01 pm to htran90
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Drafted well, made good decisions most of the time, and luck.
While we took Dyson, they took Jalen Williams
I remember wanting jalen Williams.
Spurs drafted well.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 5:38 pm to PrimeTime Money
Bingo. It’s amazing how many basketball fans can’t see the big picture. So many casual fans are just looking at one trade - George for SGA haul - but it was a series of trades.
Sam Presti always talks about ‘the process’. Trust the process. The process involves building better.
Remember Serge Ibaka? It all started with him. They traded Ibaka to Orlando for Oladipo and Sabonis. A year later, he flipped those players to Indiana for Paul George. Two years later, he sends PG13 to LA for SGA, Gallinari and those picks.
He won every single one of those trades. Serge Ibaka for a two time MVP and a championship.
Trust the process.
Sam Presti always talks about ‘the process’. Trust the process. The process involves building better.
Remember Serge Ibaka? It all started with him. They traded Ibaka to Orlando for Oladipo and Sabonis. A year later, he flipped those players to Indiana for Paul George. Two years later, he sends PG13 to LA for SGA, Gallinari and those picks.
He won every single one of those trades. Serge Ibaka for a two time MVP and a championship.
Trust the process.
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