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re: Queen is trash
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:46 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:46 pm to Lester Earl
Not sure. He defended these terrible moves in the late offseason by claiming the team had inside information about skinny (MVP?) Zion and that we knew we were going to be good because of that, so the trades were fine.
Now he's completely pivoting, b/c we're terrible, to "Queen isn't a total bust (a claim nobody really made) so the trade was smart" to an unhinged degree.
Now he's completely pivoting, b/c we're terrible, to "Queen isn't a total bust (a claim nobody really made) so the trade was smart" to an unhinged degree.
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What a melt
Ha. So not even the highlights, then. I knew it.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:26 pm to GOP_Tiger
Incorrect.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:29 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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Does Zion work beside this offense with Queen running it?
The Zion/Queen minutes have been very good, and it's precisely because of the reasons you see in the video breakdown I linked.
Queen is fantastic for Zion because Queen has a good outside shot and is also a playmaker with a handle. Zion always needed a stretch five, and Queen pulls the opposing center away from the basket so that he can't help defend when Zion drives, and opponents are dead meat when Zion can drive without an opposing big to help.
It's not ideal from the standpoint of defense and rebounding, but the improved offensive spacing more than makes up for it.
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, but we know the % and EV of the decision, at the same time.
It's a bad decision regardless of the outcome.
This stupid crap again. No, for you and me, the % and EV of the trade would be terrible. It would be terrible trading up just to trade up for the #13 pick. It's not at all a bad % or EV trading up for the #6 pick, which is where Dumars and Weaver had Derik Queen on their board.
They had scouted him very deeply, so their knowledge of him and his EV was very different from yours or mine or the rest of the league. The post that I referenced earlier about Weaver's son supposedly being good friends with DQ only backs that up—Weaver understood DQ's mental makeup very well.
As I said at the time, if the scouting is wrong and Queen doesn't end up as one of the top six players out of this draft class, then you can say that the trade was terrible because their scouting was wrong. But if they were correct and Queen is really one of the best six (and that's looking a lot more likely), then the trade was a great one.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
That video of Queen is great.
My first game of the year is the blazers next week and I’m genuinely excited because of fears and Queen. So that’s worth something.
My first game of the year is the blazers next week and I’m genuinely excited because of fears and Queen. So that’s worth something.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's a bad decision regardless of the outcome.
This is a patently false way of thinking. Queen being an all pro top 15 player makes it a great decision.
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an illustration of the danger of result-oriented thinking/analysis.
Ironic
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
Goal is to stay out of the lottery, fwiw Joe knew Pels had lost a lot of talent that had to be replaced. Early results are that Herb,Bey, and Trey really need to settle into their rolls with Fears and Queen being Rookie bright spots. Husky and Queen have been difference makers but Husky needs to keep up! and well Queen is a rookie. What's up with Poole though?
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
I wonder if teams will just start to let Queen take that long 2. He can hit it, but it’s still a low percentage shot.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
Queen is winning games 
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:47 pm to whatiknowsofar
There is a scenario where this trade actually works out for us and I’m here for it.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
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This is a patently false way of thinking.
Not at all. That is a losing decision, regardless of how one runout comes out.
Your probability of hitting the 2-outer is 4.35%
In the scenario I posted you lose roughly 87% of your call amount on average. This means, for every dollar originally in the pot before the opponent bet, you expect to lose 87 cents in the long run.
That's a terrible ROI, -EV, and accordingly a bad decision, even if you hit the 2-outer once.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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even if you hit the 2-outer once.
If you win you win. You're failing to realize that possibility
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It's not at all a bad % or EV trading up for the #6 pick,
Except literally every draft value/analytics expert I've seen discuss the trade said it was a YUGE -EV move.
Do you think Dumars, who was a laughingstock of a GM to end his tenure and never sniffed another job until this offseason, is right and literally everyone else is wrong?
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which is where Dumars and Weaver had Derik Queen on their board.
a. We don't know if their evaluations are worth giving them credit
b. The issue is the cost, not selecting Queen.
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As I said at the time, if the scouting is wrong and Queen doesn't end up as one of the top six players out of this draft class,
He has to be better than that because we gave up more than what that pick is worth. He has to be RIDICULOUSLY good, to justify giving up an unprotected pick when we are going to be terrible. You're just intentionally de-valuing that asset because you are being irrationally positive (Again, note the shift from your "secret skinny Zion" irrational optimism to this unhinged thread)
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:03 pm to whatiknowsofar
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If you win you win. You're failing to realize that possibility
No. I understand you win 4.35% of the time.
You don't understand how winning once is irrelevant in the evaluation of the decision. Regardless of winning once, it's a bad decision-making.
I literally gave you the math. That discussion is pure math, that's why the poker examples are so easy to use when discussing results-oriented thinking and decision analysis.
You have to apply the same principles to all decision-making.
Now the difference in evaluating a trade is that none of us have the specific analytics on those pick values, but we know that those who do (NBA league offices) laughed their arse off at how stupid the trade was.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/7/25 at 12:57 am to GOP_Tiger
What a buffoon the OP is.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 3:37 am to whatiknowsofar
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How many games have you watched?
He didn't answer.
Again, people like him really piss me off. They aren't real fans and only come in here to repeat the BS from the national talking heads who hate New Orleans and just want the team to relocate, and they present themselves as some kind of expert by talking about the EV of a pick.
All the constant media narrative about the team having no future then gets repeated constantly here, and the truth is that Fears and Queen look like a great foundation for the long-term future of the franchise.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 5:39 am to GOP_Tiger
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The Zion/Queen minutes have been very good, and it's precisely because of the reasons you see in the video breakdown I linked. Queen is fantastic for Zion because Queen has a good outside shot and is also a playmaker with a handle. Zion always needed a stretch five, and Queen pulls the opposing center away from the basket so that he can't help defend when Zion drives, and opponents are dead meat when Zion can drive without an opposing big to help. It's not ideal from the standpoint of defense and rebounding, but the improved offensive spacing more than makes up for it.
Our 2 best lineups this season are:
Fears/ Hawk/ Trey/ Zion/ Queen
Jose/Poole/Bey/Zion/Queen
Defensively I think they were really good together, just the competition we were playing at the time was unfair, when they were together on the floor they were doubling Wemby and getting stops.
Rebounding was great also, in 15.6 minutes of those 2 lineups they secured 20 rebounds.
Who would think playing shooters and a versatile center with Zion would unlock great lineups? Everyone but the coach seeing as how he never went back to it
Posted on 11/7/25 at 6:04 am to GOP_Tiger
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He didn't answer.
Because its irrelevant. However, I've watched 3 full games and read on the others I did not watch fully. I'm paying $15/ month to watch this shitty team and franchise
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They aren't real fans
My brother in Christ, I've been posting about and supporting this team since it was still the Hornets.
I even made this sig image when there were talks of creating this board
I'm an OG and one of the most long-time contributors to discussions about this team on this site.
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They aren't real fans and only come in here to repeat the BS from the national talking heads who hate New Orleans and just want the team to relocate, and they present themselves as some kind of expert by talking about the EV of a pick.
Holy shite. You would have been one of the guys supporting the James Posey signing. Guaranteed.
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All the constant media narrative about the team having no future then gets repeated constantly here,
We are a franchise with problems who had a disastrous offseason, following the dismantling of a lot of our talent during the prior year.
We are almost at the point of needing a "to the studs" breakdown of our team and we don't have our 1st next year. That's a terrible place in which to find yourself when you're the 1st or 2nd worst team in the West, currently.
It has nothing to do with the national media or anything silly like that. If this were any other team I'd be posting about it the same. The difference in you and me is that I remain objective in my analysis while you are letting fandom lead you to silliness (not unhinged rants).
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