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re: POBO and GM
Posted on 2/21/19 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/21/19 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
quote:I mentioned Weaver a couple of days ago. I think he would be a good candidate to consider.
TBW had all of their writers talk about GM candidates they're interested in. A lot of the same names we've seen here, Zarren, Griffin, Ferry, and Trajan Langdon. A few names we haven't discussed much here of note though
Troy Weaver, OKC's #2, has been given a good bit of the credit for their personnel evaluation and moves.
Shane Battier, currently head of player development and analytics for the Heat. He's pretty interesting to me because he got 4 years of Coach K in college, has a ton of Pat Riley experience, and his experience as a player was pretty unique too. I would view Battier kind of like Langdon, he'd be a good GM/#2 candidate if you hire one of the bigger names as POBO/#1.
More details on the different candidates at the LINK
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 8:42 am to NOSHAU
Sorry if I missed that. Weaver does seem like he warrants inclusion on the big list of candidates.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:49 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Sorry if I missed that. Weaver does seem like he warrants inclusion on the big list of candidates.
Here is my thing with Weaver. He has been with OKC for a decade now and received credit for a lot of the success, but is still with OKC. Why hasn't he received an opportunity? He has interviewed a bunch and has seemingly been on next GM hotlist for 5 years now.
I think some other guys not mentioned that will end up on the consultants initial list:
Justin Zanik
David Morway
Larry Harris
Bobby Webster
Tommy Shephard
Gersson Rosas
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:29 pm to Unknown_Poster
So he was in.
It’s been stated multiplie times, Loomis essentially spoke out of both sides of his mouth.
Go check out the latest Heat Check pod with Verrier.
Loomis would simultaneously say “I’m not involved” and “ Dell ultimately answers to me”
frick his title, that was his approach. He’s not fit to be in charge.
There is a reason Gayle said in not so many words that that is over with.
It’s pretty to easy to see Gayle realizes having Loomis as the “final word” was a mistake.
It’s been stated multiplie times, Loomis essentially spoke out of both sides of his mouth.
Go check out the latest Heat Check pod with Verrier.
Loomis would simultaneously say “I’m not involved” and “ Dell ultimately answers to me”
frick his title, that was his approach. He’s not fit to be in charge.
There is a reason Gayle said in not so many words that that is over with.
It’s pretty to easy to see Gayle realizes having Loomis as the “final word” was a mistake.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:31 pm to NOFOX
I think Weaver is just too comfortable in OKC.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:37 pm to NOSHAU
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hink Weaver is just too comfortable in OKC
I don’t think that is it. I think he wants a GM job. The problem is that I believe his greatest skill is as a talent evaluator, but that he perhaps lacks some of the diversity of skills necessary to be a GM.
That’s why I think Michael Winger got a GM spot before Weaver. Weaver was the much better talent evaluator, but Winger was better at running an organization.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 5:31 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Your post is the reason why the marketing department crafted that statement for her: to appease message board kooks!
Posted on 2/21/19 at 5:50 pm to Unknown_Poster
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:03 pm to Mystictiger
quote:
Hopefully we can get a culture like this too:
We already have that culture. Dell Demps has gone out of his way to treat the little guys right and the Pels have a track record of getting fringe NBA players a real contract not long after playing here. What free agent was he able to land because of it, Darius Miller? E'Tuwan Moore?
Morey got a reputation for pissing off agents by being a hard arse yet he was able to steal Dwight Howard away from the Lakers in Free Agency. Yeah Dwight's a cancer and that didn't work out for Houston like they hoped, but it's a much bigger FA signing than anything Demps ever pulled in.
I'm not saying I'm against being good to the little guys, I'm just saying in practice it doesn't buy you much other than a steady stream of fringe players. Maybe if the player development was better that would mean more.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:12 am to TigerinATL
quote:
We already have that culture
Do they? They basically signed mid career guys off the street to soak up minutes and put up stats on 35 win teams. Agree that it would matter more if there was a culture of player growth/development
Their bigger name players typically have left without much good to say, sometimes rightfully so, sometimes not.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:45 am to corndeaux
What he linked to was about signing GLeaguers to the roster because they promised they would. Basically taking care of the little guy fostering good will with agents. Demps has always done that, not just in how he signs them but he’s usually been very thoughtful about cutting them loose when it doesn’t look like it will work out so they could catch on somewhere even though the Pels probably could have used the warm body. I know there’s way more incidents than this, but the only thing coming to mind right now is the Pels released Jalen Jones from his 2way because he had something better lined up with another team. The Pels had no obligation to do that.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:49 am to TigerinATL
Maybe that stuff helps small markets a little, but the only things that really help are:
1) Winning
2) Winning
3) Elite Player that others want to play with
4) elite coaching staff
5) winning
6) well respected organization/support staff
1) Winning
2) Winning
3) Elite Player that others want to play with
4) elite coaching staff
5) winning
6) well respected organization/support staff
Posted on 2/22/19 at 7:33 am to TigerinATL
Right. I read the tweets in the link
It's missing the forest for the trees a bit, I think, to talk about the Pels having a good culture because they aren't burning bridges over financial table scraps and non entities in the league.
They should be thoughtful and respectful of every player they interact with. But that's not culture. To me, that is just not being an a-hole. I want more
It's missing the forest for the trees a bit, I think, to talk about the Pels having a good culture because they aren't burning bridges over financial table scraps and non entities in the league.
They should be thoughtful and respectful of every player they interact with. But that's not culture. To me, that is just not being an a-hole. I want more
Posted on 2/22/19 at 7:36 am to corndeaux
quote:
They should be thoughtful and respectful of every player they interact with. But that's not culture. To me, that is just not being an a-hole. I want more
How is what was talked about in that tweet thread culture rather than also just not being an a-hole? Marks and Langdon probably did it for the same reason I suspect Demps always did it, because they were journeymen, fringe NBA players and have been in their shoes.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 7:38 am
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:01 am to Unknown_Poster
So you’re saying Gayle is full of shite? How dare you question the sincerity of “the queen of New Orleans”!
You pro-Loomis-as-POBO people are sheep with black and gold tinted glasses on.
If Loomis has any say so going forward, this franchise will continue to be second rate.
You pro-Loomis-as-POBO people are sheep with black and gold tinted glasses on.
If Loomis has any say so going forward, this franchise will continue to be second rate.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 8:09 am
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:00 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
You are too dumb for words.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:13 am to corndeaux
quote:
They should be thoughtful and respectful of every player they interact with. But that's not culture. To me, that is just not being an a-hole. I want more
a track record of player development to me is far more important. and to be fair, the pels under demps HAVE a track record of one-sided players getting better
what they dont have is a record of below the radar players taking an all-star type leap
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:36 am to TigerBait2008
quote:
You are too dumb for words.
Another Saints fan, crying at the idea that Loomis is out of the Pels power structure.
Just think of Loomis as NFL refs who do nothing, Demps as Rams, Pels as Kamara getting his bell rung.
So I don’t have to break down why it’s a good thing that Loomis is replaced as POBO.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:30 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
How is what was talked about in that tweet thread culture rather than also just not being an a-hole?
i thought you wrote the Pels already have that culture? maybe we're agreeing? i'm a little confused
one thing left off in that tweet thread re: agents w/ mid-tier FA- BK also has a frickton of cap space this summer and is likely not pulling in any big fish.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:35 pm to corndeaux
quote:
i thought you wrote the Pels already have that culture? maybe we're agreeing? i'm a little confused
I was saying that the Pels have been doing what that tweet thread talked about as long as Demps has been here. I agree that I wouldn't call it a culture because they haven't done anything to really cultivate the fruits of these efforts. Either guys top out after the team makes a bad bet that they'd get better like Ajinca, or they move on when you could have used them like Ennis.
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