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re: Pels will forever hover around .500 with Monty at the helm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:46 pm to CQQ
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:46 pm to CQQ
when did I say good coaches think like that? why are you resorting to putting words in my mouth?
i'm not even defending monty. i've never defended monty. but i sure wouldn't want to be in his position.
i'm not even defending monty. i've never defended monty. but i sure wouldn't want to be in his position.
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Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:47 pm to supe12sta12z
I don't know, man. I'm not trying to pretend to be a coach but I honestly believe basketball games can be won with effort. Tonight they got down early and it completely unraveled. It's just a mess. 0 points for the $16 million man.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:48 pm to quail man
George Karl sure talks like he wouldn't mind being in Monty's position
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:50 pm to CQQ
well good on him. let him take on a team where Lou Amundson is your current backup PF and Darrius Miller is getting double digit minutes at the 3.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:54 pm to quail man
I would fault Dell for this before Monty. If you're looking for someone to blame for something. Which im not
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:56 pm to oncealurker
i don't really fault anyone. i feel bad for monty to an extent because i really do think he's going to be a good coach in the league but between shite teams and an unlucky injury history, he just has not been able to do anything. and yes, you're right, this team is not built for him.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 2:45 am to quail man
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i don't really fault anyone. i feel bad for monty to an extent because i really do think he's going to be a good coach in the league but between shite teams and an unlucky injury history, he just has not been able to do anything. and yes, you're right, this team is not built for him.
I guess you can say you don't "fault" anyone in a sports situation though. You can say that anyone in sports that fails fails for numerous reasons that they can't control. The heart of his argument is valid though. We're going nowhere with Monty as the coach of this team. He doesn't fit the players he has and we don't have the climate to build him whatever team he needs. So what do you do? Do you keep Monty around because it's not really his "fault"? Or do you move on and hire a coach who can win with the realistic team you can build.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 2:50 am to CQQ
Monty in the post game interview: " I was so proud of jrue and ryan, thet came out fighting". He basically said that since we have a couple of guys hurt, everyone else just came in expecting to lose and he really didnt seem to think it was a bad thing. fricking pitiful.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 4:32 am to MrBlue105
OP sucks, this thread is pointless. Take your whine fest to the Napa Valley.
It's near impossible to win games when A) your best player doesn't play B) you're playing against deeper, healthier teams
I'm not even bringing up Tyreke. The guys have overachieved admirably, but this team is so incomplete you'd be a fool to rush to judgments on it in its present state.
It has nothing to do with Monty. He's not getting "outcoached" he's getting out manned. He's playing with fewer guns, a smaller army, and less ammunition than his opponents right now. That's no one's "fault," the Pels are simply getting screwed by the injury bug once again. Only the 10th time in 12 years.
It's near impossible to win games when A) your best player doesn't play B) you're playing against deeper, healthier teams
I'm not even bringing up Tyreke. The guys have overachieved admirably, but this team is so incomplete you'd be a fool to rush to judgments on it in its present state.
It has nothing to do with Monty. He's not getting "outcoached" he's getting out manned. He's playing with fewer guns, a smaller army, and less ammunition than his opponents right now. That's no one's "fault," the Pels are simply getting screwed by the injury bug once again. Only the 10th time in 12 years.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:32 am to NOLAbaby
Are you sure it's incomplete? Delll said that the pieces were pretty much in place
Posted on 12/18/13 at 8:00 am to CQQ
We will linger around the the 10-13 stop and not get any good draft picks.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 8:06 am to NOLAbaby
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OP sucks, this thread is pointless. Take your whine fest to the Napa Valley.
It's near impossible to win games when A) your best player doesn't play B) you're playing against deeper, healthier teams
I'm not even bringing up Tyreke. The guys have overachieved admirably, but this team is so incomplete you'd be a fool to rush to judgments on it in its present state.
It has nothing to do with Monty. He's not getting "outcoached" he's getting out manned. He's playing with fewer guns, a smaller army, and less ammunition than his opponents right now. That's no one's "fault," the Pels are simply getting screwed by the injury bug once again. Only the 10th time in 12 years.
I swear there are two people that post from this account.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 8:37 am to RceTigers
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We will linger around the the 10-13 stop and not get any good draft picks.
Good, I don't want Philly getting a good draft pick from us. If you are assuming that's where we'll always be, are you also assuming that at any given time 2 of the Finishing Five will be injured? Unless you are assuming this level of injury as a constant you can't assume this level of performance will be constant.
I still am of the opinion that if Monty were an above average coach he'd have showed it by now and that with AD's timeline it's better to try another coach next year if we know Monty's not the guy. That being said, I wonder if the standard we are judging him by, his level of success with a roster that is both incomplete (holes at 3 and 5) and injured (missing 2 of top 5 players on any given night), is a standard we should be using.
Pop has set the bar pretty high by being able to insert practically anyone and getting the same results. Thibbodeaux, who will always be compared to Monty because he was the Hornets first choice as coach, is seen as a good coach largely because he's been able to maintain a high level of success while missing key players. Injuries are a part of the game, but is that really what we should be focusing on? Shouldn't we really measure Monty by what he can do with the team at full strength? I don't think Monty should survive another grade of "Incomplete", but for the purposes of judging him within the season I think we don't have a very good data set to work with.
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:08 am to TigerinATL
This thread is redundant and terrible.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:26 am to quail man
quote:yeah it sure gotta suck making several million a year
i've never defended monty. but i sure wouldn't want to be in his position.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
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Thibbodeaux, who will always be compared to Monty because he was the Hornets first choice as coach, is seen as a good coach largely because he's been able to maintain a high level of success while missing key players.
This is my thought when ppl start coming up with the injury excuse for Monty. Thib led a Bulls team w out MVP Rose, no Deng, and a very banged up Noah to the playoffs and gave 2x champion Miami Heat all they wanted with Nate fricking Robinson and Marco Bellinelli.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:28 am to Gtothemoney
It's gonna be one excuse or another for Monty. This teams needs a new voice. Period. End of story.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:31 am to CQQ
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George Karl sure talks like he wouldn't mind being in Monty's position
Would for sure be a significant improvement. Karl is a good coach.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:51 am to higgsBoson
No, I don't think you can keep him around with this team, but the thing that irks me the most is when those who want Monty gone start talking about how awful of a coach he is, etc., etc.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:38 am to quail man
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No, I don't think you can keep him around with this team, but the thing that irks me the most is when those who want Monty gone start talking about how awful of a coach he is, etc., etc.
What has he done to make you say he is even an average coach? I started this thread based on the last few years, not last night's game. I had no expectation of winning that game but what gets me is how when they get down, they quit. Running offense through Smith as much as they do is a fireable offense in itself.
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