re: Pels trade to 13

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You're distorting facts.

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no, i'm separating them... lumping in Griff's shite with Dumars is unfair to Dumars...

you can be critical, if you want, of Dumars, that's your right.... but do it on his decisions, don't use decisions made prior to him to try to justify the criticism....

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no one can defend what Dumars did tonight.

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look, I don't necessarily like the deal either, but if they truly value this kid that highly that they were going to take him at 7, and he was still there and figured they had to pull the trigger b/c they see something in him, so much so that it outweighs anything they feel they can get, not only later in this draft, but even possibly in next year's, then it is what it is....

but all the incessant sky screaming, when realistically NONE of us, right now, know how good this kid may end up being, is a little ridiculous...

personally, I really feel like both our pick and MIL's pick next year will end up being around the same spot, so it really won't matter all that much anyway, though many of y'all seem to think the one we just traded is FOR SURE the #1 pick in the draft.... seems hyperbolic to me, but whatever.... if you really just have to be pissed about something, I guess do your thing

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that when we actually utilize some of the assets we have acquired, you are automatically pissed/unhappy with whatever it is we've just done b/c we've spent some of the capital we've acquired...

at some point, we can't just hold on to all the picks and not actually pick people, or use those picks to trade up to grab someone we feel is worth it, regardless of what the hypothetical, perceived value of the commodity we are giving up is....

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No one is mad about using the assets. It's how he used them. Just put a protection in there. I don't think anyone would've been mad if it was 23 and the Milwaukee pick with a top 4 protection.

Dumars gave the hawks 2 chances to get a top pick. It should've never been the worst of the pels or bucks pick.

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I agree that this is a bad trade, but this is a really poor way to explain why.

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That analogy wasn't directly tied to this trade. It was an extreme example to show an easy example of the process-oriented thinking v. results-oriented thinking discussion.

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I mean, it was just bad no matter what.

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No fam, but your obsession over it is noted.

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No fam, but your obsession over it is noted.

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lol, bro.

Next years Unprotected First + #23 is entirely too much to move up 10 spots.

I cannot believe Atlanta wouldn’t have been happy with next year’s unprotected forst plus #40 this year…or #23 this year plus a top 6 protected pick next year.

Of course they do. It would be asinine not to if you weren’t sold on someone at #13.

GM’s have to be able to negotiate and not just identify talent. That is their job. Dumars is inherently terrible at this and has proven so over decades.

The Pelicans are saddled with an ignorant owner, a stupid GM, an incompetent coach and a retarded Franchise Player.

We will never win anything. Ever.

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I think we’re probably worse next year

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potential of Giannis asking out

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then that means BOTH picks would towards the higher end, correct? going again to my point that these two picks may not be all that far apart... we may withing2-3 spots away... we don't know...

i get that being as snake bit, and down our luck as we've been, the fan base is pessimistic as frick... i understand... i'm just saying all this apocalyptic "worst trade ever' bullshite is way too premature..

on its face, yeah, it's not ideal... i agree... but there is cost of inaction, too...

the funny part is, everyone is trashing the FO, but yet trust them to select a really good pick in next year's draft, if we were top 3 or something.... so which is it? the FO is trash and can't be trusted to put the team together, or we need as many picks as possible to give the FO the firepower to construct a roster? you can't have it both ways...