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Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:20 pm to
Posted by BlueDog24
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:20 pm to
“This isn’t a game to complain about Hawkins minutes- everyone played like shite today. Hawkins didn’t do anything great.”

It was me responding to the complaint that Willie took him out after 5 4th quarter minutes in which he was starting to get hot. Why sub that guy out when no one else is scoring? That’s the basic coaching things I question with him. That’s what I was referring to.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:21 pm to
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I think we 100% could have used some momentum from 3, I’ll say that


The only way this game would have turned is if Zion and BI grew some balls and took the first half personally.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:22 pm to
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It was me responding to the complaint that Willie took him out after 5 4th quarter minutes in which he was starting to get hot. Why sub that guy out when no one else is scoring? That’s the basic coaching things I question with him. That’s what I was referring to.


I agree with you there. My answer to you is Willie is a dumbass.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25733 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:23 pm to
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Do you honestly think the way this game was going if we played Hawkins he would have made a difference?


Yes. When you make shots you can set your defense. We could've kept it closer, which would've changed the tone of the game.

But yes keep one of your best 3pt shooters on the bench all of a very pivotal 3rd q. That makes sense to you?
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:24 pm to
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But yes keep one of your best 3pt shooters on the bench all of a very pivotal 3rd q. That makes sense to you?


Nothing Willie does makes sense to me. What concerns me more is how our 2 guys (Zion and BI) just dont show up for these games.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71956 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:25 pm to
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The only way this game would have turned is if Zion and BI grew some balls and took the first half personally.


This is team desperately needs Zion to be an mvp candidate. It was the expectation
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:27 pm to
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This is team desperately needs Zion to be an mvp candidate. It was the expectation


I honestly think this organization wanted BI to be that MVP candidate as bat shite crazy as that sounds.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55692 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:28 pm to
Griff has a mega hard on for BI for whateve reason
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78897 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:29 pm to
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I honestly think this organization wanted BI to be that MVP candidate as bat shite crazy as that sounds.



I think this mindset became the case after they realized Zion is an immature child that can't figure out his diet.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:30 pm to
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Griff has a mega hard on for BI for whateve reason


Because hes created a great culture. Thats great team has great vibes and will be first round losers. This aint fricking boy scouts man.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:31 pm to
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I think this mindset became the case after they realized Zion is an immature child that can't figure out his diet.


Good point but expecting a guy who at best is a fringe all star to lead the team is stupid organizational thinking as well.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78897 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:33 pm to
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Good point but expecting a guy who at best is a fringe all star to lead the team is stupid organizational thinking as well.



I agree, but I'm not sure they have a choice without making a trade.

There is a lot of blame to go around, but the fact of the matter is, we're just spinning our wheels and going nowhere until it clicks for Zion... and it's no longer a given that it will click.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
The mistake would be overpaying BI as well. And if Zion is not the guy- then I agree move him. Lets see how they end the season but if Im Griff - I have some serious convos about what to do with Zion and BI.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5486 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:55 pm to
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You know whats funny sometimes I cant tell if you’re talking about Zion or BI. BI seemed like he had no force.


What’s really sad is I deleted a second part to the post which was “and our second best player brings nothing on defense.”



Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:19 am to
This team has a serious identity problem and they need to hand the keys to either BI or Zion and live with the results. Personally, I think it should be Zion since hes the more elite talent. Whoever they don’t give the keys to- they need to trade that player and live with the results. This Zion/BI pairing is just awkward and doesn’t work especially against top tier teams.
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
628 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:49 am to
I'm basically ok with the Pels taking data this season. I think it will reveal flaws in the roster that we can already guess at, but if you want to give our "big 3" 50 games together before making the call, I can live with that.

Tonight was just an example of NBA being a make or miss league. Our starters went 5/26 from behind the arc (19%), their starters went 13/29 (45%). They know how they want to run their offense, everyone's roles, and do it fast and efficiently. We get put under some pressure and fall apart.

The new reality in the NBA will be two max contracts per team, so both the Suns and Pels will need to change things up soon. If the front office wants more data before deciding the way forward it's not the worst thing in the world to let this play out...
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