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Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:43 pm to duyp
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Bryson Graham has done a great job drafting and finding ufa. Herb Jones, Naji Marshall, Jose Alvarado and Trey Murphy are great gets
Projecting college upperclassman isn’t terribly difficult, you know what you’re getting with these guys.
This team looks a lot different if Hayes, Kira, Dyson became contributing starters. Projecting teenagers in the lottery is how these guys are judged.
Promoting from within of an inept organization is par for the course for us
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:44 pm to GynoSandberg
This is a shite take here. My lord.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:49 pm to GynoSandberg
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Projecting college upperclassman isn’t terribly difficult, you know what you’re getting with these guys.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
There is nothing a consequence for missing on non lottery, 2nd rd pick or UDFA.
Alvarado was a 4 year guy, DPOY in the ACC. Marshall was an all conference guy in one of the most competitive conferences in the NCAA.. Herb was a four year guy, All American, SEC POY. Murphy was already 50-40-90 guy. These guys were closer to finished products, you knew the niche they would fill in the league. Imagine pairing these guys next to productive, young lottery players?
This organization is middling because it hasn’t hit on a lottery pick that wasn’t 1.1 since Chris Paul twenty years ago. Being apathetic apologists for this shite organization won’t get ya anywhere
Alvarado was a 4 year guy, DPOY in the ACC. Marshall was an all conference guy in one of the most competitive conferences in the NCAA.. Herb was a four year guy, All American, SEC POY. Murphy was already 50-40-90 guy. These guys were closer to finished products, you knew the niche they would fill in the league. Imagine pairing these guys next to productive, young lottery players?
This organization is middling because it hasn’t hit on a lottery pick that wasn’t 1.1 since Chris Paul twenty years ago. Being apathetic apologists for this shite organization won’t get ya anywhere
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:34 pm to GynoSandberg
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There is nothing a consequence for missing on non lottery, 2nd rd pick or UDFA. Alvarado was a 4 year guy, DPOY in the ACC. Marshall was an all conference guy in one of the most competitive conferences in the NCAA.. Herb was a four year guy, All American, SEC POY. Murphy was already 50-40-90 guy. These guys were closer to finished products, you knew the niche they would fill in the league. Imagine pairing these guys next to productive, young lottery players?
I could name several if not hundreds of so called upper classmen that completely sucked in the NBA. This is a really bad take. It is difficult hitting on any draft picks in the NBA. If people knew guys like Naji, Jose or Herb would hit, they would have been drafted in the first round. The fact you thought Trey Murphy was a given that he was going to hit is even more laughable. I don’t think you understand how difficult it is to evaluate draft picks and how they become nba players. Credit needs to be given in finding those guys. Its not at all as easy as you think it may be.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:51 pm to GynoSandberg
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There is nothing a consequence for missing on non lottery, 2nd rd pick or UDFA.
But a HUMONGOUS payoff for hitting on them. If everyone knows what these college vets will be in the NBA it's odd they still frick it up 90% of the time and make picks like Justinian Jessup over Naji or Jason Preston over Herb.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:03 pm to saintsfan22
Of course, you still have to vet those guys. Not all of them hit, it goes without saying. Every org has their Alvarado and Naji. Trey has been who they thought he was. Herb is obviously the feather in the cap but the real credit goes to his development
Front offices live and die by projecting teenagers. It’s a fulfill your upside league. And our FO has objectively failed there
Front offices live and die by projecting teenagers. It’s a fulfill your upside league. And our FO has objectively failed there
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:07 pm to GynoSandberg
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Every org has their Alvarado and Naji.
They don’t.
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Trey has been who they thought he was.
Hes better.
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Herb is obviously the feather in the cap but the real credit goes to his development
You have to decide to draft someone who will develop- its part of analyzing prospects.
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Front offices live and die by projecting teenagers.
They live and die by drafting and developing talented players that help them win regardless if they are teenagers.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:24 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:So, when the Pels drafted him at 17, this is what you thought they were getting? You must be a genius.
Trey has been who they thought he was.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:29 pm to GynoSandberg
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Herb is obviously the feather in the cap but the real credit goes to his development
He became an NBA starter almost immediately as a rookie. He was a 2nd round hit at that point. Nevermind any development.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:34 pm to DallasTiger45
Amazing development! Only took about 2-3 games.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:42 pm to NOSHAU
I didnt offer any personal analysis on Trey Murphy. I think they knew a guy with length who knocked down 40% of nearly 500 3PA in college would be able to shoot it in the NBA, though.
At no point did I say he wasnt a 2nd rd hit, ever. Him going from being a role player to DPOY candidate while at the same time becoming a competent shooter is a pretty huge development for this team. He has become the lone consistent outside of Jonas the last few seasons.
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He became an NBA starter almost immediately as a rookie. He was a 2nd round hit at that point. Nevermind any development.
At no point did I say he wasnt a 2nd rd hit, ever. Him going from being a role player to DPOY candidate while at the same time becoming a competent shooter is a pretty huge development for this team. He has become the lone consistent outside of Jonas the last few seasons.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 3:01 pm to GynoSandberg
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I think they knew a guy with length who knocked down 40% of nearly 500 3PA in college would be able to shoot it in the NBA, though.
You do realize hes not just a not a stand still shooter right?
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same time becoming a competent shooter is a pretty huge development for this team.
And the individuals who drafted him deserve credit for that as well.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:03 pm to GynoSandberg
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I didnt offer any personal analysis on Trey Murphy. I think they knew a guy with length who knocked down 40% of nearly 500 3PA in college would be able to shoot it in the NBA, though.
Yet he went 17th in his draft and would easily go top 8 to 10 in a redraft. So maybe somebody should tell the other NBA teams that passed on him for worse prospects how easy it is?
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:02 pm to DallasTiger45
I did not say anything to disparage Murphy. He and Kispert were the projectable upperclassmen sharpshooters. Lotto teams always chase younger guys with perceived dynamic upside.
Perhaps my wording was poor. Simple put, we sought out high floor upperclassman with non lotto picks and through undrafted free agency. They all had an NBA ready skills that were present on their college tape
Perhaps my wording was poor. Simple put, we sought out high floor upperclassman with non lotto picks and through undrafted free agency. They all had an NBA ready skills that were present on their college tape
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