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Pelicans have the cornerstones. Just need the support players
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:18 am
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:18 am
Ingram and Williamson will be all nba players very soon.
Best young duo in the league (25 and under)
Better than Tatum/Brown
Better then Doncic/Porzingus
Better than Murray/Jokic
Better than Booker/Ayton
Adams, Ball, and Hart look like great support players.
Time to move Bledsoe and Reddick for assets that match The age of the Stars
Best young duo in the league (25 and under)
Better than Tatum/Brown
Better then Doncic/Porzingus
Better than Murray/Jokic
Better than Booker/Ayton
Adams, Ball, and Hart look like great support players.
Time to move Bledsoe and Reddick for assets that match The age of the Stars
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Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:31 am to VA LSU fan
I agree with moving Bledsoe and Redick.
But better than Murray/Jokic?
But better than Murray/Jokic?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:37 am to brmark70816
Bledsoe and Redick need to stay. Veteran leadership means alot when you're trying to build a team. In fact I would say we need a little bit more veteran leadership.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 8:54 am to brmark70816
We'll see if Murray can replicate his bubble performance during the regular season and playoffs this year. His potential is incredible, but the bubble was the first time he put it together for an extended time.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:10 am to VA LSU fan
Homer goggles are on in this thread
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:10 am to brmark70816
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But better than Murray/Jokic?
I’d say so, Jokic is the best player of the four right now(but I’m not sure for how long), but Ingram and Zion are better than Murray and project a lot better as a duo 3 years from now.
As for the path forward, if we go with the assumption our true contender window probably opens in 2-3 seasons, I am not sure what players we currently have that are actually a part of that?
Bledsoe is 31 and I think it’s all but certain he isn’t our answer at point guard long term, Lonzo is still a question mark, Reddick is 36 and I think it will be very hard to keep him off a contender when his contract is up and Griff probably won’t overspend to do it, we’ll have to see how Adams looks as he get close to 30, but his game seems like it should hold up pretty well. And we can’t yet assume any of our young guys(Kira, Hayes, NAW) will be that until they start truly demonstrating they can be.
Personally, I don’t see any reason to rush anything still. We have the war chest, we supposedly brought in Forman who’s core competency seems to be establishing a good network of scouting and drafting decision-making(for all his faults from Chicago fans his ability to identify talent up and down the draft is pretty solid, though more questionable in recent years which may be a concern). To me it seems wise to use this year to evaluate what the team needs around Zion/Ingram and who on the current roster fits, and then use our various avenues to gradually build toward that.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:12 am to VA LSU fan
2 games in and we ready to make wholesale changes. frick the fact that we won the first game and battled our asses off in the second one. Wholesale changes today!!!
Never change pelicans talk.
Never change pelicans talk.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:13 am to VA LSU fan
Why are we making decisions on the roster makeup 2 games in?
Lonzo went 4/8 game 1. Should we keep him? Oh no wait he sucked arse game 2. Get rid of him.
This team needs about 25 games before we can start making decisions on what the roster should look like. Too many new pieces and not enough time together yet.
Lonzo went 4/8 game 1. Should we keep him? Oh no wait he sucked arse game 2. Get rid of him.
This team needs about 25 games before we can start making decisions on what the roster should look like. Too many new pieces and not enough time together yet.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:34 am to VA LSU fan
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Time to move Bledsoe and Reddick for assets that match The age of the Stars
After just 2 games? Uh no.
Also aren't you a Lakers fan? If so what are you doing here?
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:41 am to touchdownjeebus
I disagree with any sort of decisions after two games, but I do think there are some things this team needs to be coming up with plans for and that process starts now. But that’s been known since before the season started..And that would be with regards to Ball, Bledsoe, and Reddick.
Ball we need to know what his buy-in with the franchise is plus whether he even fits with the core, which we may or may not know 25 games from now. Reddick we do need to know what his thoughts are next year and beyond, and whether we may want to move him at the deadline to a contender for some assets(picks or a young player), because if he’s gone next year anyways it’s assets or empty cap space. Bledsoe will be another one that will just take time, but at his age it doesn’t seem to ultimately align with our window. So I sort of expect he will be a part of some future deal when we do start narrowing down the needs for this roster.
Ball we need to know what his buy-in with the franchise is plus whether he even fits with the core, which we may or may not know 25 games from now. Reddick we do need to know what his thoughts are next year and beyond, and whether we may want to move him at the deadline to a contender for some assets(picks or a young player), because if he’s gone next year anyways it’s assets or empty cap space. Bledsoe will be another one that will just take time, but at his age it doesn’t seem to ultimately align with our window. So I sort of expect he will be a part of some future deal when we do start narrowing down the needs for this roster.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 9:47 am to brmark70816
Absolutely. Murray is a genuinely average player in the regular season, and a major negative defender.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 10:14 am to Mr6daveyobrians
Yeah I’m still not sold on Murray as some superstar. So far he seems to be what he is: a moderately efficient tweener guard that can offensively explode on a given night but is also fortunate to sort of be in the perfect situation where his ho-hum facilitation skills aren’t holding his team back because they have a generational talent in Jokic that facilitates better than most point guards, which also allows them to fill out the roster with defenders to compliment Murray and therefore not ask him to do too much.
Personally I would have tried to package Murray in a deal to Washington for Beal at some point, because I think Beal(27) is probably the best compliment Jokic(25) could realistically have brought in and would have truly made that team a scary contender for years.
Personally I would have tried to package Murray in a deal to Washington for Beal at some point, because I think Beal(27) is probably the best compliment Jokic(25) could realistically have brought in and would have truly made that team a scary contender for years.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 12:06 pm to VA LSU fan
JJ needs to be a core piece of this team.
Give him 3/50-60
You need to pay the guys who have a super elite skill, especially when it's 3pt shooing
Give him 3/50-60
You need to pay the guys who have a super elite skill, especially when it's 3pt shooing
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 12:07 pm to VA LSU fan
This board seems fixated on the seemingly inevitable big trade, as we turn all those picks into a 3rd star.
But the other route, of course, is just to hit on a pick. The Spurs drafted Robinson, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. The Warriors drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond.
We still have young players with potential in Lonzo, NAW, Hayes, and Lewis. The easiest path for us to become contenders is for one of them to develop into an all-star, and the odds are reasonable that one of them does.
As I pointed out in another recent thread, the #3, #4, and #5 picks in last year's draft were all in the bottom 10 players in the league last year in VORP. Shamit Dua mentioned in a tweet this morning that the average first-year player takes four years to reach the level of a replacement-level player.
The flip side of the Spurs and Warriors building dynasties through the draft and winning multiple titles is what happened to OKC. In a three-year span, they drafted Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden. Despite drafting three future MVPs in a three-year period, they only made one Finals and won no titles, because they never developed the right culture and fit the right players into it.
One of the worst mistakes that we could make would be to trade all the capital we've saved up for someone who didn't fit right with Zion and BI. David Griffin is trying to build the right culture in New Orleans and fit the right players into it. I like what I've seen so far and am willing to be patient.
But the other route, of course, is just to hit on a pick. The Spurs drafted Robinson, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. The Warriors drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond.
We still have young players with potential in Lonzo, NAW, Hayes, and Lewis. The easiest path for us to become contenders is for one of them to develop into an all-star, and the odds are reasonable that one of them does.
As I pointed out in another recent thread, the #3, #4, and #5 picks in last year's draft were all in the bottom 10 players in the league last year in VORP. Shamit Dua mentioned in a tweet this morning that the average first-year player takes four years to reach the level of a replacement-level player.
The flip side of the Spurs and Warriors building dynasties through the draft and winning multiple titles is what happened to OKC. In a three-year span, they drafted Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden. Despite drafting three future MVPs in a three-year period, they only made one Finals and won no titles, because they never developed the right culture and fit the right players into it.
One of the worst mistakes that we could make would be to trade all the capital we've saved up for someone who didn't fit right with Zion and BI. David Griffin is trying to build the right culture in New Orleans and fit the right players into it. I like what I've seen so far and am willing to be patient.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 12:57 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The flip side of the Spurs and Warriors building dynasties through the draft and winning multiple titles is what happened to OKC. In a three-year span, they drafted Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden. Despite drafting three future MVPs in a three-year period, they only made one Finals and won no titles, because they never developed the right culture and fit the right players into it.
I agree with pretty much everything you said except the lesson you took here. The lesson to me has nothing to do with culture, the culture was fine, the lesson with OKC is that you can do all the right things up to a point, but if your owner isn’t willing to foot the bill for a championship nothing a great GM can do will save you.
Okc had a very simple path to staying on top: pay Harden the 6 million more over the life of the contract he wanted(and be willing to go further into the tax to do it). They didn’t want to be that sort of tax team and so they were forced to make trade offs, arguably from there Presti made the wrong ones(keeping Ibaka, or even Westbrook, and not Harden) but it wouldn’t have had to come to that had OKC simply paid the man. Instead they attempted to get a bunch of nickels and dimes and make a dollar out of it because ownership stubbornly didn’t want to foot the bill and allowed their own arrogance to convince themselves they could replace Harden.
The good thing the Pels have going is that it appears right now that Gayle would not be that type of owner if put in a similar situation.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 1:07 pm to VA LSU fan
I agree with most of this. But certainly not moving JJ. I am not sure about A) Bledsoe B)What Lonzo wants money wise.
Obviously a guy like Duncan Robinson would be an incredible addition to this team. He’s everything missing. A tall catch and shoot 3 point shooter.
Obviously a guy like Duncan Robinson would be an incredible addition to this team. He’s everything missing. A tall catch and shoot 3 point shooter.
Posted on 12/26/20 at 1:09 pm to Pelicansfan69
Robinson will get Joe Harris money
Good on him
Good on him
Posted on 12/26/20 at 1:30 pm to Pelicansfan69
Reddick feels like the new Jrue around here, lot of people wanting to hold on when it doesn’t seem to be the wise move long term.
He’s someone that is ultimately not on our time table and has a looming free agency where it is pretty well hinted by him about wanting to get a ring before retirement, and so if he does stay, it will likely cost us more than we are comfortable with because we will be trying to use money to override his desire for a ring and a legacy.
I think like Jrue, Griffin is probably gathering a sense of what a path forward with and without him looks like and I would not be shocked to see him moved at the deadline instead of just having him walk for nothing.
He’s someone that is ultimately not on our time table and has a looming free agency where it is pretty well hinted by him about wanting to get a ring before retirement, and so if he does stay, it will likely cost us more than we are comfortable with because we will be trying to use money to override his desire for a ring and a legacy.
I think like Jrue, Griffin is probably gathering a sense of what a path forward with and without him looks like and I would not be shocked to see him moved at the deadline instead of just having him walk for nothing.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 1:40 pm to Bronc
Reasons to keep Redick:
Best 3 pt shooter on the team that lacks a lot of 3 pt shooting (with him we are fine; without him we are way more iffy)
Veteran leadership and teaching
Expiring contract to free up cap for a big free agent splash next year
Reasons to trade Redick:
36 years old
Defense is iffy
Gathering more assets
I see no reason to rush and trade Redick (nor anyone). 2 games in we still have to see how everything fits or doesn't. But it's definitely something to consider at the deadline.
And a big part of the decision will be our record. If we have a chance at the playoffs that would definitely sway things into the keep side. If we have fumbled badly to that point you practically have to trade him.
Best 3 pt shooter on the team that lacks a lot of 3 pt shooting (with him we are fine; without him we are way more iffy)
Veteran leadership and teaching
Expiring contract to free up cap for a big free agent splash next year
Reasons to trade Redick:
36 years old
Defense is iffy
Gathering more assets
I see no reason to rush and trade Redick (nor anyone). 2 games in we still have to see how everything fits or doesn't. But it's definitely something to consider at the deadline.
And a big part of the decision will be our record. If we have a chance at the playoffs that would definitely sway things into the keep side. If we have fumbled badly to that point you practically have to trade him.
This post was edited on 12/26/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/26/20 at 1:45 pm to bonethug0180
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And a big part of the decision will be our record. If we have a chance at the playoffs that would definitely sway things into the keep side. If we have fumbled badly to that point you practically have to trade him.
The other factor is whether or not NAW or Lewis has emerged as someone who can perform at a high level for over 20 minutes per game.
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