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re: Pelicans 93 @ Blazers 100 / Final / Official Game Thread / 4th quarter=new 3rd
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:53 am to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:53 am to TheSexecutioner
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yes, people are saying generic stuff about how optimistic they are. I honestly don't understand why.
Because for probably about a quarter and a half I saw a defense disruptive enough to stop any offense and that was with Asik sitting on the bench. This is not a good half court team, playing defense and getting out in transition is their game. The sooner they realize that the less we'll have to keep talking about Tyreke's IQ.
As effective as this team is at scoring they've never really passed the eye test on offense. They need a legit SF and Holiday and AD to take the reigns more from Tyreke if they want to play half court ball. Like I've said before Tyreke is a battering ram, which is a useful tool but not something you use every play.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:23 am to TigerinATL
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Holiday and AD to take the reigns more from Tyreke if they want to play half court ball
Holiday has never proven capable of running a good offense. He can get his (inefficiently), but he's not a lead guard.
Monty's offense has always been headed up with the one creator to do it all. There is no guard good enough to take on that role.
The offense needs to be more flow like PDX or DAL or Karl's Denver Dribble Drive. They have 4 guys who can break a defense down, 3 of them who can spot up beyond the arc. Move the ball, move the defense, then attack the seams. Especially when Davis and Anderson are out there. The paint should be wide open by making the defense work just a little.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:36 am to corndeaux
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Holiday has never proven capable of running a good offense. He can get his (inefficiently), but he's not a lead guard.
You're right in that he's never shown he can do it consistently, but am I wrong in thinking the skill set is there? When he penetrates he appears to do so with ease, he finishes at a high rate with either hand, he has a nice pull up midrange/short jumper, and we see him make great lobs to AD regularly. They should be able to have a deadly 2 man game.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:45 am to TigerinATL
I feel a little better now that I got some sleep
Let's win tonight
Let's win tonight
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:58 am to TigerinATL
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You're right in that he's never shown he can do it consistently, but am I wrong in thinking the skill set is there?
Well, you can say this about Austin Rivers if you really think about it.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:05 am to SirWinston
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Well, you can say this about Austin Rivers if you really think about it.
Other than getting to the lane with easy Rivers still has proven nothing. He certainly is giving us signs of hope, but at this point I don't think many of us would be shocked if he started regressing towards his old means. Disappointed yes, but not shocked.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:13 am to corndeaux
could not agree more, corndeaux.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:44 am to LosLobos111
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Were you this vocal about it in any prior games?
No. But there was no sunshine pumping to this extent. I thought I made it very clear that I'm not trying to shite on this team and say they suck or that Ryno sucks. But its ridiculous when we play a game that exposes some huge flaws with the team and people start chalking it up as a moral victory.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:49 am to TheSexecutioner
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exposes some huge flaws
What new flaws were exposed last night? That this team has no identity on offense other than Tyreke Kamikaze? We've known that since last year. AD scores a lot of points, but he doesn't do it off of many plays where he's the primary option.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:58 am to TigerinATL
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What new flaws were exposed last night?
That our front court is bad without Asik. Will we get help when Asik comes back? yes. But its disappointing to find that this teams bench bigs is that bad and that Davis still isn't a dominant enough banger to cover Ryno such that we are decent defensively between out forwards.
We have also found that Tyreke will continue to be selfish even if Gordon emerges as the better player(he has been his whole career). It was one thing to be a hero when Gordon was playing terribly. Yesterday showed that Tyreke might permanently be in that roll.
I don't think some people understand how bad Tyreke is. When you are a bad player who doesn't hog the ball or need it in their hands, your value is however you compare relative to other replacement level players. When you are an average player who hogs it and requires it your value is however you compare to the best player on the court.
An average player like Tyreke taking possessions away from good players is far more costly than a bad player making a couple less plays per game than an average player who could play his role.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
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but am I wrong in thinking the skill set is there?
A couple things for me:
I don't think he's smart enough with the ball.
He takes a lot of tough shots. Even v Minnesota; they fell so no one cared, but most of his shots were tough jumpers.
And he isn't a good finisher at the rim. He can get there, but he doesn't draw fouls or finish well.
Edit: one thing I've been thinking is how Holiday reminds me of Mike Conley. That's a good thing because Conley is one of the best 2 way PGs in the league. But neither guy will ever be confused with the engine of an offense or a table setter pg.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:22 am to TheSexecutioner
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That our front court is bad without Asik.
Not a new flaw. The one unanimously hailed move on this board other than drafting AD has been getting Asik. Everyone may not have liked the price, but everyone is happy he's here.
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Davis still isn't a dominant enough banger to cover Ryno such that we are decent defensively between out forwards.
Davis was getting knocked around like a rag doll. I hadn't seen him get beaten up like that in a while.
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We have also found that Tyreke will continue to be selfish
I don't think he plays selfish as much as he plays stupid. He's tied for 8th in the league in assists and is averaging the highest Assist % of his career at 31.1% which is good for 17th in the league and his usage rate is lower than last year. I do think he's getting better, I've seen him make 4 passes on fast breaks in the last 3 games, which is new, but the question is how much better/smarter can he get.
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An average player like Tyreke taking possessions away from good players
And there's the rub. How are you going to get the ball to your good players? Tyreke has been our best half court creator. Everyone complaining seems to think the answer is to go from Tyreke ISO to AD ISO. And while that may not be a bad plan, I think what people really want to see is a better flowing offense. How you get there from here is the million dollar question.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:42 am to TheSexecutioner
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That our front court is bad without Asik.
What a fricking stupid useless thing to say. Of course our backcourt is bad without 50% of it being there.
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