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re: Only way to fix this shite show
Posted on 12/28/24 at 5:10 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 12/28/24 at 5:10 pm to Townedrunkard
Put them all in the same cart as Mickey and roll them out of town
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 6:28 pm to Townedrunkard
Zion is a lazy fat slob bust. Dump him and move on. Should have traded him 3 years ago when there was still some artificial value. One of the greatest busts of a "generational" player in decades. And mostly because he does not care. All for only $100 million + too ...
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:44 am to brmark70816
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To me, him and Jones are basically a wash. Can't really play them together. So you can really only keep, and feature, one of them.
I gave the numbers last year when I had to defend DD on here, but going off memory, our best +\ ~ lineup by far included DD and Herb starting together.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 3:46 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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Nothing positive can come from continuing to lose like we are
This. Culture is totally broken.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:56 am to Townedrunkard
You can put a bowtie on a turd...it's still a turd.
Ever since day one he has looked good in spurts. That is his one constant. How much is that worth?
Ever since day one he has looked good in spurts. That is his one constant. How much is that worth?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:21 am to Townedrunkard
quote:There is zero chance a team can survive long term with Dyson, Herb, Zion and Missi as 4 of your top 6 or 7 minute getters.
I gave the numbers last year when I had to defend DD on here, but going off memory, our best +\ ~ lineup by far included DD and Herb starting together
Also, if your sample size of minutes is meaningful, then you have to concede that also meaningful is that in each of Dyson's 3 seasons, his team has been better when he's off the court. So... Which is it? If you proved Dyson and Herb can play together, then I've proved Dyson doesn't make his team better, you can't pick and choose when net rating helps your argument.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:28 am to shel311
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There is zero chance a team can survive long term with Dyson, Herb, Zion and Missi as 4 of your top 6 or 7 minute getters
Like we are surviving now with Murray running the show?
No doubt it would have had challenges, but maybe Griff should have worked on building a team starting with what would have been the two best wing defenders in the game.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:45 am to Townedrunkard
The argument isn’t Dyson vs Murray.
It’s is Murray the best offer we could’ve gotten for the package we gave away. If he is, then we would’ve been better off salary dumping that package because we’re now on the hook for 31m the next three seasons.
It’s is Murray the best offer we could’ve gotten for the package we gave away. If he is, then we would’ve been better off salary dumping that package because we’re now on the hook for 31m the next three seasons.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:48 am to Townedrunkard
It’s too unbalanced. Herb and Dyson together need a different #1 than Zion to work.
The main thing this team needs to do is get a GM to pick an identity and lean into it hard, both with the players you keep and the coach you hire.
Go back to SVG. The right type of coach for Zion, the wrong type of coach for BI. Firing the coach because BI doesn’t like being coached hard was the wrong conclusion. Zion and BI not being a good fit is what should have come out of the SVG debacle. Instead they waited too long for more data to tell them what Stan showed us, and not only did they waste assets by picking the wrong direction, they might have lost their chance to “fix” Zion with hard coaching.
And I’m not saying SVG should still be the coach, just that we learned way more about this team than anyone realized at the time, and the people paid the big bucks to be ahead of the curve weren’t.
The main thing this team needs to do is get a GM to pick an identity and lean into it hard, both with the players you keep and the coach you hire.
Go back to SVG. The right type of coach for Zion, the wrong type of coach for BI. Firing the coach because BI doesn’t like being coached hard was the wrong conclusion. Zion and BI not being a good fit is what should have come out of the SVG debacle. Instead they waited too long for more data to tell them what Stan showed us, and not only did they waste assets by picking the wrong direction, they might have lost their chance to “fix” Zion with hard coaching.
And I’m not saying SVG should still be the coach, just that we learned way more about this team than anyone realized at the time, and the people paid the big bucks to be ahead of the curve weren’t.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:04 pm to TigerinATL
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It’s too unbalanced. Herb and Dyson together need a different #1 than Zion to work.
I know, but may have been easier to build something with them two instead of an oft injured Zion and BI.
Or even if Griff traded BI for Towns. And got a good third true pg. it may have worked.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:07 pm to TigerinATL
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Go back to SVG. The right type of coach for Zion, the wrong type of coach for BI. Firing the coach because BI doesn’t like being coached hard was the wrong conclusion. Zion and BI not being a good fit is what should have come out of the SVG debacle. Instead they waited too long for more data to tell them what Stan showed us, and not only did they waste assets by picking the wrong direction, they might have lost their chance to “fix” Zion with hard coaching.
100% agree. It’s been kicked around on here for years the two of them together didnt work. Griff screwed up in not getting rid of one of two years ago when we could have got back real value. Just another reason of many for him to be fired.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:19 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:And if Dyson were on this team currently, he would be saving us, is that what you're saying? If not, then I fail to see the point you're trying to make.
Like we are surviving now with Murray running the show?
quote:Did I miss something, was the trade either Dyson or Murphy? I don't get where Murplhy was just randomly tossed into this discussion by you?
but maybe Griff should have worked on building a team starting with what would have been the two best wing defenders in the game.
But also...notenough offense/shooting to make that work unless every other position are shooting 3s at volume.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:21 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Sure, in the make believe world where Zion and BI were not already on this team.
I know, but may have been easier to build something with them two instead of an oft injured Zion and BI.
But they are, and we're seeing how impossible it already is to trade BI, so you're drumming up a scenario in some perfect world that is not the reality we are currently in.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:41 pm to shel311
Again... anyone having the Dyson vs Murray conversation is having the wrong conversation.
Neither one of them are moving the needle.
Neither one of them are moving the needle.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:21 pm to shel311
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And if Dyson were on this team currently, he would be saving us, is that what you're saying? If not, then I fail to see the point you're trying to make.
Not saying that at all. It’s a lost season, woukd have been better off keeping our assets and developing Dyson another year. And I rather see Herb and DD at least set the tone every night on defense.
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Did I miss something, was the trade either Dyson or Murphy? I don't get where Murplhy was just randomly tossed into this discussion by you?
Dont know what you are talking about. I never mentioned Murphy.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:23 pm to shel311
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But they are, and we're seeing how impossible it already is to trade BI, so you're drumming up a scenario in some perfect world that is not the reality we are currently in.
Was it not reported the Wolves and us were in talks for a BI Towns swap but Griff pulled out? Or was that just the make believe world I live in?
Towns was traded not long after….
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:25 pm to Broski
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Neither one of them are moving the needle.
Exactly but Griff shipped off what’s left of our treasure chest for it….
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:01 am to Townedrunkard
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Was it not reported the Wolves and us were in talks for a BI Towns swap but Griff pulled out?
The report was there were talks but the only way it could have worked financially was to do it in season. No blame on either side was given as the side that failed to commit from what I saw. Maybe neither side was ready to go through with it even though it made a lot of sense for both teams.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:20 am to TigerinATL
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The report was there were talks but the only way it could have worked financially was to do it in season
I do'nt think what they meant was it had to happen before the trade deadline in February. I think it meant it had to happen before the end of the financial season, meaning after the NBA Finals, or once you're eliminated, but before the Draft when the new season officially begins, like the Caruso/Giddy trade.
You can trade players still under contract (meaning under contract for the next season) once your season ends either by not making the playoffs or being eliminated in the playoffs.
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