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re: Okafor to Spurs Rumor???
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:29 am to Jester
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:29 am to Jester
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for cap relief
Okafor's contract really doesn't limit the teams cap space. They have $36 million on the books for next year. Floor is $49 million I believe. Cap will be $58 million. Resign Gordon, so add about $6-8 million. Sign the 2 rookies and that's another $5-6 million. The Hornets should have around $10 million to use for FA even with Okafor on the team.
He's not handcuffing the team w/ salary. And moving him would mean overpaying for someone else.
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Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:32 am to corndeaux
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Okafor's contract really doesn't limit the teams cap space.
It limits the ability to choose Kaman over Okafor. If we draft a stud post player that draws doubles it may not matter, but with what we have now Kaman is better for this team than Okafor. I wonder who would be better next to Anthony Davis.
This post was edited on 2/29/12 at 11:33 am
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:37 am to TigerinATL
Umm, Paul Pierce would be better next to Anthony Davis. Thats why we trade one of these guys to the C's.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:42 am to chatchit42
The Celtics aren't dumping Paul Pierce. We'd probably have to give up our good draft pick to get Pierce for Kaman.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:43 am to TigerinATL
True. I've made my points about Kaman several times. I'll just say, as much as he puts on the table, he also takes it right back off.
Not sure who would fit with Davis better. Okafors lack of skill or Kamans volume shooting will both hurt his development. If they go with Sullinger, both are awful fits b/c he can play right away and will be a center. Robinson and Oak would work. Dtummond would be fine w/ either since he probably needs some time to adjust.
Like you said earlier about Ariza, I think Monty and Dell like Okafor and aren't itching to dump him
Not sure who would fit with Davis better. Okafors lack of skill or Kamans volume shooting will both hurt his development. If they go with Sullinger, both are awful fits b/c he can play right away and will be a center. Robinson and Oak would work. Dtummond would be fine w/ either since he probably needs some time to adjust.
Like you said earlier about Ariza, I think Monty and Dell like Okafor and aren't itching to dump him
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:46 am to corndeaux
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Like you said earlier about Ariza, I think Monty and Dell like Okafor and aren't itching to dump him
Yeah, I've wondered why we haven't heard more about Okafor and Smith's injury. I think we're probably looking at a Kaman showcase right now.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:47 am to chatchit42
I certainly don't want Paul Pierce. All we'd get out of him this year is a worse draft pick and he's going to retire soon anyway. Paul Pierce is NOT the guy you trade for as a young rebuilding team. There's nothing on this team I'd want to give up for him.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:48 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah, I've wondered why we haven't heard more about Okafor and Smith's injury. I think we're probably looking at a Kaman showcase right now.
We are I would imagine. Okafor will all of a sudden be playing after the trade deadline.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:49 am to corndeaux
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If they go with Sullinger, both are awful fits b/c he can play right away and will be a center.
Sullinger a Center? I've never seen that. Seems like a PF to me. He's definitely shorter than Okafor.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:50 am to TigerinATL
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Kaman showcase
Hope it delivers another 1st. The way the Wolves are playing right now, we are going to need it.
Have you seen any new Kaman rumors recently?
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:53 am to Fun Bunch
I don't think he can play much offense or any defense outside of the paint. If I'm right, he almost has to be a center, despite his size. I guess if Chuck Hayes can do it, why not Sullinger.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:57 am to corndeaux
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Have you seen any new Kaman rumors recently?
No new rumors and I really don't think he gets traded until near the end. Indy is possibly going to be a player in multiple trades as a facilitator with their cap space and Houston is still hoping to get Gasol which may have to wait on something happening or not happening with Dwight. So the 2 teams that have showed the most interest in Kaman probably won't be ready to make a deal for him until several other trades go down.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:00 pm to TigerinATL
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The Celtics aren't dumping Paul Pierce.
Maybe not, but they seem like a team thats itching to make a trade right now to stay relevant in the east. They're like that guy in your fantasy league that hasnt been able to make a trade all year cuz he keeps gettin shot down.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:05 pm to chatchit42
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Maybe not, but they seem like a team thats itching to make a trade right now to stay relevant in the east.
And trading Pierce for Kaman makes them relevant again? This may be one of the most unrealistic trade ideas posted on this board, and there have been a lot of idiotic trades proposed here.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:06 pm to TigerinATL
If they trade Oak instead of Kaman I would be stoked. I have grown more fond of Kaman since day 1. They guy plays with heart no matter who he is playing for. I know he was pissed when he got here but that was more from being lied to. I think this orginization has treated him well and he possibly could stay beyond his contract.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:22 pm to TigerinATL
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And trading Pierce for Kaman makes them relevant again?
The C's have been missing a center for the past couple of seasons now, do you not follow basketball?! Kaman is an extreme upgrade over O'Neal and that crap white guy they got.
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This may be one of the most unrealistic trade ideas posted on this board, and there have been a lot of idiotic trades proposed here.
Wow, you must be the most close-minded fool on this board, and I've seen a lot of close-minded fools on here. I'm still not convinced Gordon is a guy you can build a franchise around due to his lack of leadership and desire to be here. Yeah, there's no telling how Pierce would respond to being traded, but his leadership is undeniable and he can still score better than any of the guys we have on our roster right now.
You cant expect to have an absolute overhaul of youth on your team and expect to win. There's gotta be some veteran....PROVEN....leaders on your team to develop youth.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:36 pm to chatchit42
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The C's have been missing a center for the past couple of seasons now, do you not follow basketball?! Kaman is an extreme upgrade over O'Neal and that crap white guy they got.
I would think the C's can get a lot more for PP than just Kaman's contract. What realistic offer would you make for Pierce?
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:49 pm to WB504
Well, I didnt realize his contract has him making 16.8 mil next year, so I dont know if I would make the trade now.
I mean, the C's are kind of in a conundrum right now because they're lookin to trade but dont have the right kind of contracts. If it werent for PP's contract making a jump like that next year, I would have traded Kaman and a late first that we get from Spurs for Oak.
Of course, thats fantasy.
I mean, the C's are kind of in a conundrum right now because they're lookin to trade but dont have the right kind of contracts. If it werent for PP's contract making a jump like that next year, I would have traded Kaman and a late first that we get from Spurs for Oak.
Of course, thats fantasy.
This post was edited on 2/29/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 2/29/12 at 12:49 pm to corndeaux
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The Hornets should have around $10 million to use for FA even with Okafor on the team.
He's not handcuffing the team w/ salary. And moving him would mean overpaying for someone else.
Or we could have 24 million in salary space to go after premier young centers like Hibbert or Lopez. Both Marc Gasol and Nene signed contracts for less per year than Okafor is getting paid. And players like Hawes, Asik, Jason Thompson, and Kaman will cost well less than 14 million and give you every bit as much if not more than Okafor on the court.
Just because there may not be a good deal to be made with the Spurs doesn't mean that the Hornets aren't better off without Okafor.
With that said, it's probably all fantasy. I don't think even Stern could get a team to give up an expiring contract for Okafor. Jefferson or Turkoglu may be the best deal you could get.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 1:09 pm to chatchit42
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Wow, you must be the most close-minded fool on this board, and I've seen a lot of close-minded fools on here.
You think the best Boston could get for their long time Face of the Franchise and still top 10 SF is an average center that will be a UFA this off season? He'd be much more valuable to a near contending team.
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You cant expect to have an absolute overhaul of youth on your team and expect to win. There's gotta be some veteran....PROVEN....leaders on your team to develop youth.
First, I never said I wouldn't want Pierce, I just said that's laughable value for Boston, not because I'm a close minded fool, but because that really is a ridiculous trade you proposed. But I wouldn't want Pierce because of his age. He'll be 35 this year and he'd be well into his decline by the time this team was ready to contend.
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