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re: My takeaway of the pelicans after first two preseason games
Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:17 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:17 pm to Dantheman504
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Murray
Herb
Zion
Looney
Missi
I never want to see this lineup. This would be one of the worst offensive units in the league. Zion with 2 complete zero shooters and 2 other shooters that defenses don't care about. Where would Looney, Missi, and Zion fit together on offense? I get that sometimes we think about theoretical lineup fits but if I was an opposing coach I would be begging the Pelicans to play this lineup. We only get 30min of Zion a night, why would I want to absolutely handcuff him for any of those??
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:26 pm to ThePistol
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I never want to see this lineup. This would be one of the worst offensive units in the league
Completely missed the point of that lineup. In a situation where we are up 10+ pts this one of the best lineups to close a game. Believe it or not there should be situations where we want defense and not trying to put in 5 shooters. Not to mention you are going to have the ball in Murray/ Z's hands anyway.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:32 pm to Dantheman504
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n a situation where we are up 10+ pts this one of the best lineups to close a game.
Again, why would you want to have a lineup that would have a league worst offensive rating in with a lead to close a game? Why would you want three below average free throw shooters in the lineup to close a game? Why would you want two non ball handlers in with a lead when a team is going to crank up the pressure and begin fouling if necessary? What advantage could possibly be achieved by having Missi and Looney on the court together, especially to close a game? I don't think you thought this lineup through at all.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:47 pm to ThePistol
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I don't think you thought this lineup through at all
I definitely thought the lineup through. I also explained that it has absolutely nothing to do with offense even though every single one of your arguments was about offense. So I still don't think you get the point of it.
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Again, why would you want to have a lineup that would have a league worst offensive rating in with a lead to close a game?
Defense
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What advantage could possibly be achieved by having Missi and Looney on the court together, especially to close a game?
Also Defense.
Are you going to ask me why I want Murray at PG, Herb at SG, or Z at SF as well?
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I don't think you thought this lineup through at all.
I think you are greatly exaggerating the offense of a 5-10min lineup that includes (2) all star players that is primarily defensive focused to prevent scoring.
You realize if something happens then you can just sub in Poole/ Trey/ Bey right? I'm not saying "put in the defensive lineup and if the team starts scoring then keep them in with no offense!".
Posted on 10/6/25 at 1:51 pm to Dantheman504
You'd have your best (2) defensive guards preventing 3's, Zion bullying whoever is #3, and then your strongest rebounders/ paint protectors. What am I missing? I'd imagine the only answer would be "offense". And yet Murray/ Z are in the game with Herb as #3 scorer when you technically don't even need offense.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 2:20 pm to Dantheman504
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I also explained that it has absolutely nothing to do with offense
Because half of the game occurs on the offensive side of the court. Missi or Looney guarding 4's are that much better defensively that it would make up for the huge limitation on offense compared to someone like Bey or even Matkovitch? Can you show me a single stat that shows Missi is a positive defender? I'm sure you will bring up rim protection with Missi. Then that means you have Looney chasing Naz Reid or similar players instead of Bey or Murphy? We have at least a bottom 3 center rotation in the western conference (there is a strong argument that we have the worst center rotation in the west) and you are advocating to play them both at the same time with Zion. I would bet right now, barring some weird foul situation or injury, we will never see this lineup. It just makes no sense.
We just simply have too many players better than both Missi and Looney to every justify having them both on the court at the same time, especially without Murphy on the floor.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:34 pm to Dantheman504
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Believe it or not there should be situations where we want defense and not trying to put in 5 shooters.
Then you take out Missi, who is not a good defender, and put in Jose, who is excellent. People continue to think that "Jose is too short to be a good defender." History says that isn't true. I'll never forget when we left Jose alone to defend Jaxson Hayes in the paint, and AD was saying, "Yes, let Jose defend him!", and Jose just smacked the ball away. His hands are so quick.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 6:35 pm to bobBoxer
You do realize that the Houston Cougars, Purdue Boilermakers and Florida Gators would all destroy these teams from Australia… right?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 6:58 pm to BowDownToLSU
You're looking at the wrong things then. We're not looking at the competition from the Melbourne teams as a barometer for the team. We're looking at the Pelican's fit, chemistry, roles, schemes/actions, play style, and skillsets that can be valuable data to get an idea of where the team is. That and obviously Zion.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:04 pm to BowDownToLSU
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You do realize that the Houston Cougars, Purdue Boilermakers and Florida Gators would all destroy these teams from Australia… right
No, they would not. The NBL is equivalent to the G-League and better than every college team.
But, yes, the point was to notice how high Zion was jumping in the air to snag rebounds and how crisp his passes were. You could see how quickly we played, with no BI pounding the rock for 10 seconds. You could see that Trey and Saddiq Bey have both muscled up into PF bodies, while maintaining elite 3-pt shooting. You could see how improved Trey's handle is. You could notice that Fears has both grown taller and added muscle since Summer League, which improves the odds he can contribute this season. You could notice that Jose's release on his 3-pt shot is quicker. You could notice that Looney doesn't seem to have lost any athleticism (something that some were worried about. You could notice that Missi has added some muscle. You could notice that Peavy seems ready to compete on both ends of the floor.
I probably left some things out, but those are things that I saw that have nothing to do with the quality of our opponents in Australia.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 6:00 am to GOP_Tiger
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No, they would not. The NBL is equivalent to the G-League and better than every college team.
I would be curious to test this out. Basketball is a pure talent sport. Sometimes a college team puts multiple guys in the lottery. Take for example Zions college team (that didn't win the Championship), with 3 guys in the top 10 and some veteran depth. I think they could beat 2nd tier professional leagues.
The basis of this theory was always these foreign league teams are professionals. Well college teams are professionals now too. If they have 2-3 high level players, then the talent balance shifts. That's not even factoring in a generational level player on either side, like Doncic playing in Europe). I think it's more situational than you are stating. Florida (last years champ) could definitely hang with the teams we just played..
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:34 am to bobBoxer
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Love Jose but don't know how he gets minutes when everyone is healthy
You like someone who cheats by using steroids?
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:36 am to ned nederlander
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My one takeaway: Excited and honest Australian play by play guy paired with calmer black commentary guy is an excellent broadcast team formula, and I want more of it.
Westwood Radio does this for the London NFL games. Except its a British announcer. Its different
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:14 am to bobBoxer
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Zion looks good but I'm still upset it took him 5 or 6 seasons to do it
And it's not just the weight gain.
For me it's also his inability to add a shot to his game. Or any new moves over the summer. Now he hasn't gotten better in some areas but hasn't put in crazy work to be the best. Just disappointing.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:39 am to Chalkywhite84
He took a pull up middy and a step back mid range fading away in the Melbourne game. He took a 3 as well. I don't really care if he makes them at a high clip as long as he starts incorporating it.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:37 pm to tzimme4
quote:Dude you keep posting that crap. At first I thought you were joking, but I think you just do not know much about sports. You have been corrected multiple times, that the Jose Alvarado that got busted for performance enhancing drugs was the MLB pitcher. Stop posting this crap.
You like someone who cheats by using steroids?
Posted on 10/10/25 at 3:43 am to supe12sta12z
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He took a pull up middy and a step back mid range fading away in the Melbourne game. He took a 3 as well. I don't really care if he makes them at a high clip as long as he starts incorporating it.
Yeah, I saw that middy. He has been hitting that in workouts also. I was talking about his time before this yr.
He finally put in the work this summer and watch how much different he looks. But I was talking about him not doing it for 5 years. He would be an mvp if he would've done this every yr.
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