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re: Looks like Karlo Matkovic will be joining team in Feb.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:48 am to hassan whiteside
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:48 am to hassan whiteside
What this tells me is that Griff already has the trade(s) lined up, and it's just a matter of waiting until the deadline to ensure that the roster stays healthy and no other moves need to made.
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:59 am to GOP_Tiger
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What this tells me is that Griff already has the trade(s) lined up, and it's just a matter of waiting until the deadline to ensure that the roster stays healthy and no other moves need to made.
Agreed, and more than Kira is likely going out. Connecting the Pels to a player like Burks is not the kind of trade rumor that usually leaks for posturing reasons. It makes more sense as a secondary move after a bigger trade happens. And by Bigger I'm talking JV/Nance, not BI/Zion.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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What this tells me is that Griff already has the trade(s) lined up, and it's just a matter of waiting until the deadline to ensure that the roster stays healthy and no other moves need to made.
Yeah I'm positive Griff already has a Kira dump trade agreed on. He's just waiting to see if any other trades pop up that would need Kira's salary. If nothing comes up he just calls in the Kira dump trade
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Yea, there's really no other logical reason to be bringing this guy in at this time, or at least none that I can think of.
What this tells me is that Griff already has the trade(s) lined up, and it's just a matter of waiting until the deadline to ensure that the roster stays healthy and no other moves need to made.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:22 pm to TigerinATL
I was on the Alec Burks train like 4 years ago.
I would be pretty irritated if we traded for him today. We have no minutes to give him. He does nothing to improve our team as someone who will likely not play. ANd to make the trade work, we'd actually have to give up someone who would then make us work by not having him b/c the only reason to make it would be to take on his expiring while sending out JV or Larry or Herb. Unless we we're getting back Duren as well, there is no concievable trade to get Burks that makes any sense at all.
I would be pretty irritated if we traded for him today. We have no minutes to give him. He does nothing to improve our team as someone who will likely not play. ANd to make the trade work, we'd actually have to give up someone who would then make us work by not having him b/c the only reason to make it would be to take on his expiring while sending out JV or Larry or Herb. Unless we we're getting back Duren as well, there is no concievable trade to get Burks that makes any sense at all.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:36 pm to TigerinATL
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It makes more sense as a secondary move after a bigger trade happens. And by Bigger I'm talking JV
I keep saying it, but if JV were in our plans next season, we'd have offered him an extension. We did not. I do not expect him to be on the team after the deadline.
People can disagree with some of Griff's decisions, but he's not stupid. He never planned to go into our coming offseason without a starting center. He's planning to acquire that player now.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I keep saying it, but if JV were in our plans next season, we'd have offered him an extension.
To be fair this is by far JV best season as a pelican. If he played like this last season, I think pels would have extended him. I think his play this season will make Pels hesitant to trade him unless its a guaranteed upgrade.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
Contract year tends to bring out the best in players. Harrison's Barnes fell off a cliff after he got paid this offseason.
While I think JV can play like this moving forward, it's hard not to think that his play is a result of a contract year.
While I think JV can play like this moving forward, it's hard not to think that his play is a result of a contract year.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:57 pm to TigerinATL
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Agreed, and more than Kira is likely going out. Connecting the Pels to a player like Burks is not the kind of trade rumor that usually leaks for posturing reasons. It makes more sense as a secondary move after a bigger trade happens. And by Bigger I'm talking JV/Nance, not BI/Zion.
That makes me worried because it would also suggest we will need Burks to replace an out-going wing from us.
It could also just be that we are attaching Zeller to a Naji/Kira trade and need Karlo to be our new 3rd center.
I could see us trading with a contender that needs some wing help and tax relief too. I haven’t run any numbers, but us dumping Kira and then flipping Naji/Zeller for guys of the level of Dean Wade; Peyton Pritchard; Drew Eubanks; etc., would make some sense for both teams.
Specifically, us dumping Kira and then sending Naji and Zeller for Dean Wade would get both of the teams out of the tax.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:03 pm to supe12sta12z
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Contract year tends to bring out the best in players. Harrison's Barnes fell off a cliff after he got paid this offseason. While I think JV can play like this moving forward, it's hard not to think that his play is a result of a contract year.
Its a good point. Although you would think a vet like JV wouldn’t have that mentality. The thing is- I might get downvoted on this but if you weren’t going to extend him- they should have traded him and got Allen in the offseason. Now JV has played so well- that whatever you get for him in a trade wont match what hes providing and Jarrett Allen’s stock is so high that he’s probably out of the pels range now. Griff gambled and he lost.
The options are trade JV and not get back equal value or extend him and probably pay him more than you wanted to (unless he gives you a discount).
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:19 pm to supe12sta12z
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While I think JV can play like this moving forward, it's hard not to think that his play is a result of a contract year.
I would normally agree, but JV is goign to play hard regardelss if it's his last year or first year of his contract. He's a different dude, and it's why he's been loved everywhere he's been.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I would normally agree, but JV is goign to play hard regardelss if it's his last year or first year of his contract.
This is not true. There is a substantial difference in his defensive play this year compared to last year. Even his passing has been substantially better. He may have played hard but I don’t know about well in those areas last year.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
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This is not true. There is a substantial difference in his defensive play this year compared to last year. Even his passing has been substantially better. He may have played hard but I don’t know about well in those areas last year.
JV started this season lighter and quicker. Maybe it was the FIBA play that helped him? In any case, it's gone now, and he now looks like the old, slow guy that we had last season.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I keep saying it, but if JV were in our plans next season, we'd have offered him an extension. We did not. I do not expect him to be on the team after the deadline.
I agree with that as well.
and if you look at the net rating since the IST, the starting lineup is basically 0, while subbing JV for Nance gives us a net rating of +36.1
and i actually don't think it's a JV problem. He has good lineups as long as there are 3 shooters (counting BI as a shooter) and a Herb/Dyson on the court, no different than Zion. I know, it's crazy that lineups with at a minimum 3 shooters does really well.
I'm just curious what the route they are looking at going. If its a move for a Capella or Jarrett Allen, i don't like it. I don't mind that type of player, but i'm not interested in paying $20M/yr for that with our current roster. I'd really like to go after one of the proven bigs on a rookie contract.
I'm also not interested in Myles Turner. He's not that great of a shooter, adn he's missed 20+ games 4 years in a row.
Swapping JV for Gafford would suffice for me.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
$20 mil for Jarrett Allen the way hes playing may be a steal. Hes been phenomenal the past month.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:26 pm to Pels_Yaz
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$20 mil for Jarrett Allen the way hes playing may be a steal. Hes been phenomenal the past month.
he's had very little impact defensively to that team the last two years. The Drtg with him on vs off is pretty similar.
If i'm goign to give up JV for a defensive center, he needs to be a difference maker.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The Drtg with him on vs off is pretty similar.
I would argue that may have a lot to do with mitchell and garland who are very small guards. This is a guy who made an all star and again has been helping the Cavs win without Mobley and Garland- I love JV but Allen is the better player.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
Allen is one of the few centers in the league that you can actually play 30+ minutes with. His defensive impact will depend on the team and scheme he plays for. He's not a dpoy type but he has the ability to anchor a defense. You lose offensive ability but he's a much more cohesive fit in Green's defensive style of play.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I would argue that may have a lot to do with mitchell and garland who are very small guards. This is a guy who made an all star and again has been helping the Cavs win without Mobley and Garland- I love JV but Allen is the better player.
then why is there a 6.9 DRtg difference when Mobley goes off the court, but that difference is almost negligible for Allen?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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then why is there a 6.9 DRtg difference when Mobley goes off the court, but that difference is almost negligible for Allen?
I’m not going to disagree with you but I think you’re also reading too much into the drtg personally. Jarett Allen is one of the league’s better defensive centers and if you can trade JV and have him on a 20 mil contract in todays NBA- thats a really solid deal. This would all depend on what we’re trading, but going from JV to Allen on a 20 mil a year deal- most would say thats an upgrade. And again you could be right and he may not fit- but personally I think he would do great in Willie’s defensive scheme.
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