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re: Jrue - Trade him away
Posted on 11/5/19 at 7:53 am to saints5021
Posted on 11/5/19 at 7:53 am to saints5021
I know it's way early, but I don't have faith that Favors will be what the FO expects either. Okafor has looked good since last season. He needs to get stronger and work on defense, but I like what I'm seeing from him. Hayes has a ways to go, but he will be the guy as he matures physically and mentally with knowing angles to block NBA shots without fouling.
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 7:53 am to Soggymoss
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Favors with a 1st package,
no.
That pick could be stupendous.
Some memphis and kentucky freshmen are going to be great.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:21 am to Soggymoss
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Indiana would probably be more likely to want a Favors with a 1st package, saves them cap space next season and gives them a pick
I agree they would like Favors, but Favors and a 1st for Turner isn't going to cut it.
Myles Turner isn't just some ordinary 5. He's athletic, shoots the 3 well, and his a very good defender both on the perimeter and down low. Maybe if continue our terrible start and by December it's a given we get a top 6 pick or so, but i would rather the pick at that point.
I also think Indiana is more interested in competing now, not building for the future.
a back court of Jrue/Brogdon/Oladipo is a very very good defensive team. They can all switch and all defend pretty much anyone on the court effectively. Brogdon and Jrue may be shorter than the average SF but both of them have shown they can guard Durant and Kawhi as good as anyone can.
While i'm disappointed in Jrue's start, it's really not that big of a deal to me, and i know he'll turn it around, like he has before.
I wouldn't want to get rid of him b/c he is our shut down defender, and you have to have that guy. But i also don't see how he and Lonzo can coexist with Ingram on the court together. Those 3 just don't play well together. None of them are going to the bench, so someone has to go, and it won't be Ingram. I'd prefer it be Lonzo, but i wouldn't be unhappy if we swapped Jrue for Turner.
an ideal trade for me would be Turner to Pels, Favors to Indy, Lonzo to a 3rd team for their 1st, and a first to Indy, maybe the better of the two as long as ours is top 5 protected. Problem is i don't see many teams out there that would even want Lonzo. I think Minny would be very interested in Lonzo, and probably Orlando and the Knicks. Knicks wouldn't give up their high pick for Lonzo though. Orlando and Minny probably would. The majority of teams that needed PG's in the offseason, addressed that issue.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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While i'm disappointed in Jrue's start, it's really not that big of a deal to me, and i know he'll turn it around, like he has before. I wouldn't want to get rid of him b/c he is our shut down defender, and you have to have that guy. But i also don't see how he and Lonzo can coexist with Ingram on the court together
Absolutely this. Even when we had Zion in the preseason, our starters would have us behind every game and then the bench would pull us ahead, because the starting offense looked stagnant. Jrue + Lonzo = failure. If they can't figure it out, then, yes, someone is going to have to go, and it's likely going to be Lonzo.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:37 am to GOP_Tiger
I'm sure if someone gets traded it would be Zo, I just would rather he not be the one traded because his passing skills are tailor made for Zion
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:54 am to TeddyPadillac
My trades I would accept for Jrue:
Bucks
Not to hot on this one, but I think we could flip Bledsoe for another package to a contender near the deadline
Heat
I would love this one giving us 2 guys to add to our young core and continue building. I would trot out a lineup of
Ball
Winslow
Ingram
Zion
Leonard
We would be just as lengthy as Philly is, and have a core we can keep together for years with all of them entering their prime close to the same time while Zion is growing
Bucks
Not to hot on this one, but I think we could flip Bledsoe for another package to a contender near the deadline
Heat
I would love this one giving us 2 guys to add to our young core and continue building. I would trot out a lineup of
Ball
Winslow
Ingram
Zion
Leonard
We would be just as lengthy as Philly is, and have a core we can keep together for years with all of them entering their prime close to the same time while Zion is growing
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:56 am to SaintNation
quote:And what do you think we can get for a $26mil player who is apparently not that good?
Trade him now and get what you can.
You do realize the way you speak of him and considering his contract, your logic would dictate we would need to add assets in a deal for him. Yea, we wouldn't get assets, we would have to add just to get rid of him. Why would we do that based on your logic?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:59 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Yep, and I don't think our roster/lineups are really built for pace, but Gentry doesn't seem to have the ability to develop a strategy around his talent. He has a strategy and seems to stick to it no matter what.
You can't run a fast break off of made baskets or dead balls.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:00 am to J_Hingle
quote:Of course.
does anyone else feel like we should slow down our pace?
You have Ingram who is money in iso/half court play. Then we have bigs right now of Favors/Okafor who are much better suited for a slower pace game.
The fastest pace in the league stuff just doesn't make sense with the makeup of the current team IMO.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:01 am to shel311
the only way Jrue will be traded, is this summer when Griff comes to Jrue and says "we will trade you to a place you'd want, if you so chose"
At that point the best offers would be something like
-Jrue for Jaylen Brown
-Jrue for D'Angelo Russell
or my favorite
-Jrue for McCollum
MAYBE you could talk to Washington and find a way to get Beal or John Wall (or both). But make no mistake, Jrue isn't going anywhere this season. And if he does get traded, it'll be this summer
At that point the best offers would be something like
-Jrue for Jaylen Brown
-Jrue for D'Angelo Russell
or my favorite
-Jrue for McCollum
MAYBE you could talk to Washington and find a way to get Beal or John Wall (or both). But make no mistake, Jrue isn't going anywhere this season. And if he does get traded, it'll be this summer
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:01 am to LuzianaFootball
quote:I cannot get over how bad Favors looks. He was supposed to be our defensive stopper in the middle and he looks like hot garbage. He looks like he is 55 years old out there and continually looks lost. I ma hoping he is just not 100% and maybe he can be serviceable at some point. Sadly, he does not even look like he is worth the 2 2nd rounders we gave up for him.
I know it's way early, but I don't have faith that Favors will be what the FO expects either. Okafor has looked good since last season. He needs to get stronger and work on defense, but I like what I'm seeing from him. Hayes has a ways to go, but he will be the guy as he matures physically and mentally with knowing angles to block NBA shots without fouling.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:53 am to Soggymoss
I wouldn't want to trade Jrue for Bledsoe. I just dont like it. Does nothing for us as i don't see Bledsoe as a veteran leader now, and he wouldn't be part of the long term future.
Miami would definitely be interested in Jrue, but they are in the tax and there's no need for them to stay in it this year, so a trade with them would need us to take back almost $4m to get them out the tax. It sucks they have no draft picks to offer for quite some time. I wouldn't object to taking on salary from them, like Johnson/Waiters/Winslow/Olynyk/Herro for Jrue/Favors/Melli/Kenrich/Okafor, which gets Miami well under the tax this year, and saves them lots of money next year for FA to possibly add a max guy, but they have no draft picks to throw at us to do so, and i'm not trading Jrue for Winslow/Herro basically.
I think Indiana would love to add Jrue to Brogdon/Oladipo.
I also think if the Clippers could find a way to get Jrue, they would be unstoppable, and i'm sure jrue would love to get back out to LA.
Kawhi/PG/Jrue/Beverly....not sure how anyone would ever score on them outside of put backs off the multitude of missed shots.
Jrue/Okafor for Shamet/Lou/Harkless/Harrell. Really takes the Clippers depth and 3 point shooting, but i think it would be worth it to them. Clippers do have their 2020 pick they can trade, which will be the 30th pick most likely.
and to be clear, i'm not interested in making any of these trades, just pointing out what i think other teams would like.
Miami would definitely be interested in Jrue, but they are in the tax and there's no need for them to stay in it this year, so a trade with them would need us to take back almost $4m to get them out the tax. It sucks they have no draft picks to offer for quite some time. I wouldn't object to taking on salary from them, like Johnson/Waiters/Winslow/Olynyk/Herro for Jrue/Favors/Melli/Kenrich/Okafor, which gets Miami well under the tax this year, and saves them lots of money next year for FA to possibly add a max guy, but they have no draft picks to throw at us to do so, and i'm not trading Jrue for Winslow/Herro basically.
I think Indiana would love to add Jrue to Brogdon/Oladipo.
I also think if the Clippers could find a way to get Jrue, they would be unstoppable, and i'm sure jrue would love to get back out to LA.
Kawhi/PG/Jrue/Beverly....not sure how anyone would ever score on them outside of put backs off the multitude of missed shots.
Jrue/Okafor for Shamet/Lou/Harkless/Harrell. Really takes the Clippers depth and 3 point shooting, but i think it would be worth it to them. Clippers do have their 2020 pick they can trade, which will be the 30th pick most likely.
and to be clear, i'm not interested in making any of these trades, just pointing out what i think other teams would like.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:04 am to TeddyPadillac
To be fair, I was also questioning the FO when we brought in Okafor. He has proven his worth, but it didn't take that many games to realize he was good for us when AD went down for the millionth time. Just looking at how different we look with certain players on the floor and what we are limited in and it's alarming already.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
I take Bledsoe from Milwaukee for that same purpose in mind of flipping him to a contender like the Clippers for Harrel/Shamet/Harkless
Miami maybe a little more willing to pay the tax if they get a star like Jrue to pair with Butler, if their goal is to get under the tax though I'm sure a deal could be worked with a 3rd team to take on a guy to get them under.
My single problem with Indy, is who do we trade him for? I'm not swapping Jrue for Turner straight up, and not sure how willing they would be to move future draft picks in case it doesnt work
Miami maybe a little more willing to pay the tax if they get a star like Jrue to pair with Butler, if their goal is to get under the tax though I'm sure a deal could be worked with a 3rd team to take on a guy to get them under.
My single problem with Indy, is who do we trade him for? I'm not swapping Jrue for Turner straight up, and not sure how willing they would be to move future draft picks in case it doesnt work
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:46 am to Soggymoss
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I take Bledsoe from Milwaukee for that same purpose in mind of flipping him to a contender like the Clippers for Harrel/Shamet/Harkless
Seems kind of silly. Why not just "flip" jrue for something you actually want?
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Miami maybe a little more willing to pay the tax if they get a star like Jrue to pair with Butler, if their goal is to get under the tax though I'm sure a deal could be worked with a 3rd team to take on a guy to get them under.
They don't have any draft picks. They can't just dump guys without sending a pick out.
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My single problem with Indy, is who do we trade him for? I'm not swapping Jrue for Turner straight up, and not sure how willing they would be to move future draft picks in case it doesnt work
Why? Granted i'd rather do something like Favors and a first to Indy for Turner, with Lonzo going to say Orlando for their first and Augustin, but i don't know if Indy would even do that.
Turner is 23, on a long term very reasonable deal, and is exactly what we need at the 5. He's a athletic rim runner who led the league in blocks last year that can defend the perimeter while also capable of shooting 3's at an acceptable rate. You could see where Indy wouldn't want to do a Jrue for Turner swap, and might want more in return.
LINK recent article about him and Sabonis.
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Last season, Domantas Sabonis was Myles Turner’s primary backup at the center position for the Indiana Pacers. This year, head coach Nate McMillan experimented by starting both of them in the Pacers frontcourt. Both Turner and Sabonis have been getting heavy run together on the floor and are important to Indiana’s success this season. Unfortunately, the Pacers haven’t won with both of them starting together.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:54 am to SaintNation
They should have traded him in the offseason. He will never be as good as he was last year, and he is at the age where he isn’t in the long term plans of this franchise.
Griffin got everyone believing this was a franchise guy that could ascend to an mvp-like player. Jrue is what he is at this point. He’s 30. His improvement is capped. Gentry surely won’t get the best out of Him
Griffin got everyone believing this was a franchise guy that could ascend to an mvp-like player. Jrue is what he is at this point. He’s 30. His improvement is capped. Gentry surely won’t get the best out of Him
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:59 am to TeddyPadillac
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Seems kind of silly. Why not just "flip" jrue for something you actually want?
If I can get Illyasova, Harrel, Shamet and 3 1sts for Jrue, that's exactly what I want
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They don't have any draft picks. They can't just dump guys without sending a pick out.
They have Dragic that a team like Dallas would be willing to eat a little salary (think Dragic for Lee swap), and probably even send a protected 1st for.
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Why? Granted i'd rather do something like Favors and a first to Indy for Turner, with Lonzo going to say Orlando for their first and Augustin, but i don't know if Indy would even do that.
Turner is 23, on a long term very reasonable deal, and is exactly what we need at the 5. He's a athletic rim runner who led the league in blocks last year that can defend the perimeter while also capable of shooting 3's at an acceptable rate. You could see where Indy wouldn't want to do a Jrue for Turner swap, and might want more in return.
I know we could get more than a straight swap of players for Jrue which is why I dont accept it. If it would require, I would send Indy Favors/Cleveland 1st/2021 top 10 protected pels 1st, I know they will be looking to get off his salary, and they can start Sabonis with a good backup (well if he returns to form) in Favors
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:05 pm to Soggymoss
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If I can get Illyasova, Harrel, Shamet and 3 1sts for Jrue, that's exactly what I want
I do like Illyasova, and now get where you're going with it, but the Clips only have this years first to give away, and we aren't getting 2 firsts for Jrue when we get back Bledsoe and Illyasova, but i like what youre saying.
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They have Dragic that a team like Dallas would be willing to eat a little salary (think Dragic for Lee swap), and probably even send a protected 1st for.
Neither of them can trade a 1st for quite some time, and neither have players they are willing to trade that i'd be interested in for Jrue.
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I know we could get more than a straight swap of players for Jrue which is why I dont accept it.
You sure? Turner is like the Jrue of post players both on the court and contract wise.
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I would send Indy Favors/Cleveland 1st/2021 top 10 protected pels 1st, I know they will be looking to get off his salary, and they can start Sabonis with a good backup (well if he returns to form) in Favors
I'd be down with that.
But as i stated originally, i do'nt think Lonzo and Jrue can both be on the court and excel with Ingram, and Ingram isnt' going anywhere.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:52 pm to Lester Earl
It made sense to keep a talented veteran like Jrue on this team. But the way things have shaped out, unless things drastically turn around and the Pels win multiple games in a row, then it now makes more sense to trade Jrue.
You also don't need to worry about getting a perfect package. Pels are loaded with assets. Any assets you get for Jrue can be packaged to acquire other assets you do want.
You also don't need to worry about getting a perfect package. Pels are loaded with assets. Any assets you get for Jrue can be packaged to acquire other assets you do want.
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