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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:55 pm to Bronc
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:55 pm to Bronc
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But already Hart has posted twice, once in favor of doing right by JJ, once in seemingly annoyance/anger at where we traded JJ, and he shares an agent with JJ, is a good friend, and is a FA.
If he decides to go elsewhere and cites organizational trust as a factor, yeah, this could be pretty bad.
RFA. What does any of this change?
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:45 pm to Bronc
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JJ has a right to his opinion and his speech. And I don’t disagree that some of his reasoning is likely bullshite or wanting to have his cake and eat it too, problem is as an organization you shouldn’t be making promises, or communicating in a way that can be construed as a promise, if you can’t keep them.
It’s bad managerial behavior, full stop.
No, the whole thing makes JJ look like an idiot.
What about JJ’s supposed demands make any sense at all. He did not live up to his contract. In no way trading JJ to Dallas is that some horrible thing to do to him. JJ approaching the team wanting out in the middle of his contract has basically ruined his standing with the team. At some point employees are too stupid or ignorant to be managed properly. This is probably one of those situations.
One of the problems with the NBA is the disrespect of contract agreements by players.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:48 pm to Colonel Flagg
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No, the whole thing makes JJ look like an idiot.
What about JJ’s supposed demands make any sense at all. He did not live up to his contract. In no way trading JJ to Dallas is that some horrible thing to do to him. JJ approaching the team wanting out in the middle of his contract has basically ruined his standing with the team. At some point employees are too stupid or ignorant to be managed properly. This is probably one of those situations.
Again, this might all be good and fair if there wasn’t the pesky fact that Griff, who doesn’t even deny it in his statement, made promises and assurances to the effect Redick had stated.
Don’t make promises you can’t keep. Don’t make statements or allow lines of communication to be left up to wrongful interpretation.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:55 pm to Bronc
Why in the world would anyone accept Redick's claim as fact without hearing Griffin's side ofnthe story.
I, for one, think it unlikely in the extreme that Griffin would have made the "promises" you speak of.
I, for one, think it unlikely in the extreme that Griffin would have made the "promises" you speak of.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:56 pm to TotesMcGotes
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RFA. What does any of this change?
Page one TigerATL offered a very good example. But you can easily envision plenty.
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I guess the biggest fallout from this is potentially this summer. If you need Hart or Lonzo to "just wait a few days and I'll take care of you", I'm not sure I'd trust waiting a few days if I were them. I could see Hart especially losing money if Griff asks him to wait while he sorts out the bigger fish.
It’s a situation that happens a lot and relies entirely on your trust in the organization. Turning down an offer sheet today on the promise your current team will do right by you in the future and putting at risk those offers being taken away to be spent elsewhere.
Like I’ve said, maybe this is a one off instance and not a feature of Griff’s management style, and ultimately Griff mends fences or nothing comes of it, but it’s not hard to see ways it could be problematic this summer.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:57 pm to Bronc
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Bronc
You’re either JJ himself, his agent, his mom, his brother, or his side dude. You’re consistently taking up for this dude like he’s just 100% right. I get his frustration but there’s 2 sides to this that u clearly don’t want to hear
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
I didn't read everyone's responses but my only issue is that griff shouldn't have promised to accommodate him then not do so. Just be straight up and say you're going to do what's best for the team.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:58 pm to Bronc
Pels don’t get FAs, JJ was hot garbage this year, and armchair GMs in this thread need to calm down.
ETA, this is a nothing burger.
ETA, this is a nothing burger.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:04 pm to Bronc
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- Griff said just come give it a shot, If in a month you still feel that way we will work to send you to a situation you want
Promising to work to do something and promising that you will actually be able to do that thing are not the same.
Sounds like they did work to get him to where he wanted to go, but nobody in his preferred destination list was interested.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why in the world would anyone accept Redick's claim as fact without hearing Griffin's side ofnthe story.
We have that though.
Griff released a statement that was posted in this thread and he not only doesn’t contradict Redick’s accounting of promising to make accommodations in getting him to the NE and expressed sympathy for JJ. He reiterated that attempting to accommodate him in a way he wanted to be is what they were doing from the start to the end. Nowhere does he make the assertion some have tried to make on his behalf that he was only going to accommodate him conditionally.
Griff’s side is simply that based on some conversation that happened at some point in time where Redick and he discussed the idea of wanting to be on a contender in your twilight, Griff “felt confident” after they didn’t get the offers they wanted that JJ would think being sent to Dallas would satisfy JJ and satisfied their focus on accommodating him.
But Griff, who is careful with his words always, doesn’t claim he ever communicated this shift to Redick and Redick was clearly under the impression the prior promises were still where things stood.
Griff either allowed a breakdown in communication and expectation setting or he broke his prior promise without communicating the change of direction based on his assumptions, allowing a chance for Redick to feel aggrieved. Either way the same result happens, an employee feels lied to and betrayed.
If this a one off unfortunate event hopefully it doesn’t affect things like Hart, but if it’s a part of Griff’s managerial style to be quick on promises or loose in his words so as to be interpreted as such, this problem will be a recurring problem that could harm organizational trust.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:09 pm to Bronc
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Again, this might all be good and fair if there wasn’t the pesky fact that Griff, who doesn’t even deny it in his statement, made promises and assurances to the effect Redick had stated.
Griffin did nothing bad to JJ.
If Griffin was at a big market team, got JJ to sign a team friendly long term deal to fit within limited space, and then he was sent to a shitty franchise on the opposite side of the country he would have complaints.
JJ played like shite and Griffin probably was trying to work with him in good faith. JJ’s value was very weak in a trade. Griffin made a move which kept JJ making his maximum money for a two month hangout with the Mavericks instead of the Pels organization he obviously did not care about.
I don’t know how NBA buyouts work, but I would be surprised if JJ was willing to be bought out for one dollar that the Maverick’s wouldn’t take it right now.
I really don’t understand what a good buyout would have been considered in JJ’s mind. I feel confident that Griffin did not make promises to JJ that he was going to pay him $13 million a year to suck and then send him to another team of JJ’s liking at the cost of value to the Pels.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:13 pm to Bronc
So, because Griffin didn't specifically deny making concrete promises, you just assume that he made them.
That's really dumb.
That's really dumb.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:14 pm to Bronc
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Don’t make promises you can’t keep. Don’t make statements or allow lines of communication to be left up to wrongful interpretation.
Maybe JJ shouldn’t have signed that contract for $26 million dollars since he only got half way through it and started asking to bail; however, JJ asking to bail still meant he wanted to be paid his money.
I am sure his contract was written saying it is only valid if I get to play with Jrue Holiday. Maybe he had a clause that said that even if I suck the Pels will send me at their detriment to another organization that I want to play with. It says he always gets all his money. PS he also is really more interested in his kindergartener’s school life and not the money/basketball fame.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:21 pm to Louisianabound88
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You’re either JJ himself, his agent, his mom, his brother, or his side dude. You’re consistently taking up for this dude like he’s just 100% right. I get his frustration but there’s 2 sides to this that u clearly don’t want to hear
I could give a frick about JJ’s feelings my man.
This sort of ad hominem shite is so damn lazy.
Only thing I care about is the Pels.
And potentially eroding internal and external organizational trust matters for the Pels.
Every thing I have said in here has to do with how this can affect the Pels. No one, me least of all, is crying a river because JJ has to go to Dallas and collect a few million dollars before returning to a million dollar home in Brooklyn and starting a media career. But the situation matters to me because it has the potential for negative consequences for the Pels....and a bunch of you boot licking mental midgets seem to be incredibly triggered by people expressing that simple concern.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:23 pm to Colonel Flagg
what a bitch. dude thinks he can just suck and then the guys who run the organization have to trade his garbage arse to where he wants or buy him out so he can do whatever he wants rather than get something from another team and improve our organization. Sure JJ that’s what the guys we pay should do, do what’s best for you and not what’s best for our team and city. fricking pussy bitch of a player. who the frick is JJ? a bum and he thinks we have to trade him wherever he wants even if another team is offering us something for his garbage arse.
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:26 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Maybe JJ shouldn’t have signed that contract for $26 million dollars since he only got half way through it and started asking to bail; however, JJ asking to bail still meant he wanted to be paid his money.
I am sure his contract was written saying it is only valid if I get to play with Jrue Holiday. Maybe he had a clause that said that even if I suck the Pels will send me at their detriment to another organization that I want to play with. It says he always gets all his money. PS he also is really more interested in his kindergartener’s school life and not the money/basketball fame.
None of this has anything to do with what you quoted though.
All of that can be true, as an organization, any organization, managers should never make promises to employees they can’t keep, or allow their lines of communication to be foggy, unclear, or easily misinterpreted.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
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So, because Griffin didn't specifically deny making concrete promises, you just assume that he made them.
Bro, go read the fricking statement before licking the boot. Two minutes ago you didn’t even know one existed but you still wanted to aggressively post at me and claim I was the one speaking from ignorance.
Griffin explicitly said he was working to accommodate Redick from start to finish.
There is no ambiguity there.
The only differing of the narrative is that Griff assumed Redick would feel accommodated being sent to Dallas(not a real contender) based on a vague reference to a conversation he and Redick had at one time about the desire to be contending in your twilight.
No matter how you want to interpret his statement there was a clear breakdown in the managerial communication lines given you took actions based on assumptions drawn about the employee but was in fact received and perceived the opposite by said employee.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:37 pm to Bronc
I am saying JJ did nothing right for the organization.
He signed a contract and then asked out part way through the contract. At that point the employee has ruined the relationship. You can try to blame management, but the employee failed the organization’s trust at that point.
So the options Griffin had as the GM in this situation.
1. Tell JJ he is an idiot which he was. That does nothing to get JJ to continue to hold up his end of the contract. He likely complains about Griffin after it all is over.
2. Try to work with JJ and manage the relationship even though JJ has just told you he is not committed to the team’s goals or vision. Obviously Griffin did this.
3. Let the employee walk all over you, take advantage of the organization, and set a bad example of letting employees completely disrespect the generous opportunity to play NBA basketball offered by the organization. This seems to be what JJ ultimately wanted.
He signed a contract and then asked out part way through the contract. At that point the employee has ruined the relationship. You can try to blame management, but the employee failed the organization’s trust at that point.
So the options Griffin had as the GM in this situation.
1. Tell JJ he is an idiot which he was. That does nothing to get JJ to continue to hold up his end of the contract. He likely complains about Griffin after it all is over.
2. Try to work with JJ and manage the relationship even though JJ has just told you he is not committed to the team’s goals or vision. Obviously Griffin did this.
3. Let the employee walk all over you, take advantage of the organization, and set a bad example of letting employees completely disrespect the generous opportunity to play NBA basketball offered by the organization. This seems to be what JJ ultimately wanted.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:49 pm to Colonel Flagg
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am saying JJ did nothing right for the organization.
He signed a contract and then asked out part way through the contract. At that point the employee has ruined the relationship. You can try to blame management, but the employee failed the organization’s trust at that point.
So the options Griffin had as the GM in this situation.
1. Tell JJ he is an idiot which he was. That does nothing to get JJ to continue to hold up his end of the contract. He likely complains about Griffin after it all is over.
2. Try to work with JJ and manage the relationship even though JJ has just told you he is not committed to the team’s goals or vision. Obviously Griffin did this.
3. Let the employee walk all over you, take advantage of the organization, and set a bad example of letting employees completely disrespect the generous opportunity to play NBA basketball offered by the organization. This seems to be what JJ ultimately wanted.
That may be the case, I’m not there in the lockerroom so who knows.
But while I’d be down with those approaches, unfortunately Griff chose option 4 here: make a promise to accommodate your employee to the NE and potentially a promise to facilitate a buy out and then make a different choice without updating said employee, allowing a feeling of betrayal to your word.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:49 pm to Bronc
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But while I’d be down with those approaches, unfortunately Griff chose option 4 here: make a promise to accommodate your employee to the NE and potentially a promise to facilitate a buy out and then make a different choice without updating said employee, allowing a feeling of betrayal to your word.
I just have a really hard time believing Griff or Trajan said anything beyond "We will do our best..." with respect to moving him to the NE.
Not a single GM would guarantee to a player, before a season even starts, that they would send the player to a specific two or 3 teams at or before the upcoming trade deadline. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe JJ took it that way, but if so, that's more on JJ than anyone else.
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