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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:31 pm to Fun Bunch
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Of course you don't
You think Hart is scanning old NBA Twitter to decide whether he no longer feels peeved on behalf of Redick? Or Lonzo? Or upcoming free agents?
This is hot take fodder.
Richard Jefferson’s opinion isn’t moving the needle for any player where our organizational trust may or may not be a factor, it’s silly.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:32 pm to Bronc
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Do you even know what you are saying and what point you think you are even making?
That there are different dynamics which are still business like in nature that are unique solely to the NBA. You used a generic business formula to compare this situation to the NBA and it doesn't work like that.
Do you realize the various levels of nuance in the vast world of business? Or do you think all employees make 10 times as much as their bosses?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:32 pm to Bronc
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Eh, don’t really think any free agent or current player on our roster is going to give a shite what a bunch of old role players think.
Sounds like you just described JJ
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:33 pm to urinetrouble
He probably cost 3 games this year with his terrible shooting. frick JJ
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:33 pm to Bronc
quote:So they won't care what JJ Redick thinks?
Eh, don’t really think any free agent or current player on our roster is going to give a shite what a bunch of old role players think.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:33 pm to LesGeaux45
To me this--once again--highlights the pitfalls of Griffin trying to say he's building a "family" atmosphere and that the Pels are a family.
That kind of rhetoric to fans and players can come back to bite you in the arse when you have to make a tough business decision.
Here the progressions seems clear. J.J. is recruited by Griff to come down to New Orleans, play with Jrue and help build the right kind of culture around Zion. J.J. accepts because the money is good and he thinks the Pels with Jrue and Zion and the Lakers' pieces can be a playoff team.
Zion gets hurt, Jrue gets traded and it turns out the Pels are farther away from from being a playoff contender than he thought.
Covid complicates things. J.J. is isolated on the road and can't see his family at home as kid has started school up north.
Asks to be traded somewhere close to home in the offseason. Griff sweet talks him a little to come to training camp and assures we'll work something out if we need to down the line.
J.J.'s trade value then drops due to poor shooting, which may have to do with new scheme and his state of mind.
Griffin and Trajan can't get any kind of decent offer from one of Redick's preferred desinations.
Redick assumes at some point that this means they can work a buy out and he can sign a minimum kind of contract with a contender closer to home. Maybe Griff encourages that expectation.
Griff gets an offer of some value from the Mavs--a contender but not one that gets Redick any closer to home.
Thinking the buyout route was a done deal, J.J. is shocked and pissed by the unexpected trade to Dallas. Feels it clearly goes against the "spirit" of his deal with New Orleans and his conversations with Griffin, the family man.
Griff concludes he has to do what's best for the organization so he sends J.J. to Dallas for two-defensive minded role players and a second rounder. I'd guess Redick sees that as a small return which the Pels could have forgone in order to do the buy out.
That kind of rhetoric to fans and players can come back to bite you in the arse when you have to make a tough business decision.
Here the progressions seems clear. J.J. is recruited by Griff to come down to New Orleans, play with Jrue and help build the right kind of culture around Zion. J.J. accepts because the money is good and he thinks the Pels with Jrue and Zion and the Lakers' pieces can be a playoff team.
Zion gets hurt, Jrue gets traded and it turns out the Pels are farther away from from being a playoff contender than he thought.
Covid complicates things. J.J. is isolated on the road and can't see his family at home as kid has started school up north.
Asks to be traded somewhere close to home in the offseason. Griff sweet talks him a little to come to training camp and assures we'll work something out if we need to down the line.
J.J.'s trade value then drops due to poor shooting, which may have to do with new scheme and his state of mind.
Griffin and Trajan can't get any kind of decent offer from one of Redick's preferred desinations.
Redick assumes at some point that this means they can work a buy out and he can sign a minimum kind of contract with a contender closer to home. Maybe Griff encourages that expectation.
Griff gets an offer of some value from the Mavs--a contender but not one that gets Redick any closer to home.
Thinking the buyout route was a done deal, J.J. is shocked and pissed by the unexpected trade to Dallas. Feels it clearly goes against the "spirit" of his deal with New Orleans and his conversations with Griffin, the family man.
Griff concludes he has to do what's best for the organization so he sends J.J. to Dallas for two-defensive minded role players and a second rounder. I'd guess Redick sees that as a small return which the Pels could have forgone in order to do the buy out.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:33 pm to Bronc
quote:You have absolutely no way of knowing that. You are listening to one side and jumping to that conclusion? Maybe they said they would do everything they could to get him there. Did he address whether he was willing to reduce his salary significantly via a buyout or was it simply a one way street where he expected the franchise to take the hit while he dictated his team?
If Griff had simply made no promises or assurances then JJ would have no gripe, but Griff and Trajan SPECIFICALLY and continually used false promises to string him along and then betrayed those promises.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:33 pm to Epic Cajun
I think will likely blow over and be basically a nothingburger long term.
As far as “what’s best for the organization” I’mnot sure if two end of bench expirings and a 2nd round pick we probably won’t make is truly worth the negative headline.
But like I said, I don’t think anything substantial will come of this.
As far as “what’s best for the organization” I’mnot sure if two end of bench expirings and a 2nd round pick we probably won’t make is truly worth the negative headline.
But like I said, I don’t think anything substantial will come of this.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:34 pm to Epic Cajun
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How will we ever know?
We may or we may not.
But declaring some absolution, like you and some are, doesn’t suddenly become right.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:34 pm to Epic Cajun
In a year or two when Steph says he's not signing in New Orleans because we didn't send JJ to Brooklyn, then we'll know the impact of this heinous act by Griff.
Its the only way.
Its the only way.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:37 pm to NOSHAU
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You have absolutely no way of knowing that
Both Redick and Griff already corroborated that yes, Griff did make assurances to get JJ somewhere he wanted to be and was in continuous communication with him up to the period before the Dallas decision became a reality.
Griff’s only argument is he thought JJ would be happy with Dallas.
So Griff either broke that promise or is bad at communicating/absorbing communication with regards to his employee.
The time where we can just hope JJ is making shite up about promising to accommodate him passed when Griff issued his statement.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:40 pm to Bronc
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Both Redick and Griff already corroborated that yes, Griff did make assurances to TRY to get JJ somewhere he wanted to be.
This is the root of the "problem". Griff said he would try to get JJ to where he wanted to go, JJ took it as a promise. Did Griff ever mention anything about a buyout, or was that just JJ? I don't think I've seen anything from Griff on that end.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:40 pm to Bronc
You're headed into hour 5 of this one man meltdown, bruh.
Take a break.
Take a break.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:46 pm to Epic Cajun
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This is the root of the "problem". Griff said he would try to get JJ to where he wanted to go, JJ took it as a promise.
Again, read the statement.
Griff is not contesting whether he would or wouldn’t absolutely try to get Redick a situation that would accommodate his wants, he says explicitly they worked to accommodate him and what those accommodations could be were fluid, his last part makes the inference that he thought Redick would be happy with Dallas because he claims they are a contender.
So either Griff miscommunicated to Redick or Griff absorbed the communication with Redick incorrectly, either way the root situation doesn’t change. Griff produced a situation where his employee felt lied to and broke their promise.
What material consequences that may create for us we don’t know, but nowhere did Griff say he was only trying, but not promising to accommodate Redick.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:52 pm to eyeran
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meltdown
People overuse this word way too much.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:52 pm to Bronc
The only thing any FA thinks before singing a FA deal with New Orleans is "Is this the most money I can get from anyone?" Everything else is moot in New Orleans.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:52 pm to Bronc
quote:Like SVG said, JJ wanted one thing, the Pels wanted one thing, those two things didn't align, and that's that. The Pels didn't ignore JJ's wishes, they tried to cater to them, but ultimately they have to do what's best for the team. I'm sure players understand this. This whole "they lied" thing is just JJ being a bitch about the situation. He should've never even made the request that he did, it was unreasonable and he should be happy that the Pels even tried to accommodate it.
So either Griff miscommunicated to Redick or Griff absorbed the communication with Redick incorrectly, either way the root situation doesn’t change. Griff produced a situation where his employee felt lied to and broke their promise.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:54 pm to Bronc
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People overuse this word way too much.
Not in this case
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:55 pm to Epic Cajun
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Like SVG said, JJ wanted one thing, the Pels wanted one thing, those two things didn't align, and that's that. The Pels didn't ignore JJ's wishes, they tried to cater to them, but ultimately they have to do what's best for the team. I'm sure players understand this. This whole "they lied" thing is just JJ being a bitch about the situation. He should've never even made the request that he did, it was unreasonable and he should be happy that the Pels even tried to accommodate it.
And that's all there really is to it.
I'm not sure how you can refute any of this.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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Like SVG said, JJ wanted one thing, the Pels wanted one thing, those two things didn't align, and that's that. The Pels didn't ignore JJ's wishes, they tried to cater to them, but ultimately they have to do what's best for the team.
Again, read Griff’s statement, that is not the situation Griff, who was actually part of these conversations that SVG was not, articulated.
In his own words. They spent the year trying to put him into the NE, when they seemingly didn’t get the strong offers they wanted, he made the assumption based off conversations they had about going to a contender that he would be happy going to Dallas. Griff “felt confident” JJ would be happy with this trade he said.
So again, either Griff lied, he miscommunicated, or he misread communications given to him. Either way the result is the same, his employee felt wronged and lied to due to avoidable circumstances Griff created or allowed to happen through his communication process and expectation setting.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 4:02 pm
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