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re: It’s a Make-or-Break Season for Zion Williamson’s Superstar Status- the ringer
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
You must have a wildly forgiving concept of a superstar then. I'm not arguing that he's not productive when he's healthy. But he's not the guy that routinely leads a team to closeout wins in big games. Again, amazing as a #2 option because he does solid numbers, but not the franchise changing super star some wanted him to be.
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Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:16 pm to Thundercles
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You must have a wildly forgiving concept of a superstar then.[/quote
That's an entirely separate conversation bud.
[quote]. I'm not arguing that he's not productive when he's healthy.
You argued that he never takes over. Patently false.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:19 pm to Broski
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We simply need him to be more consistent for any of this to work around him and it just hasn't happen and I think many, yourself included, are beginning to come to terms with the fact that it may never happen.
He did the shaq thing last year, played 70 and got hurt, and is in better shape to start the year this year but we're writing off this season without even getting 20 games in.
He may never put it together. Sure. But he absolutely may put it together this year, it's just a bitch when you have only ingram to help.
Zion comes out tonight and drops 35 it's one thing, he misses another game it's not a big deal this season...yet.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:21 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He did the shaq thing last year, played 70 and got hur
And like it was pointed out, he wasn't close to being an All Star because he was not.. wait for it... consistent.
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Zion comes out tonight and drops 35 it's one thing, he misses another game it's not a big deal this season...yet.
I'd argue it's not a big deal if he drops 35 tonight if you're saying it's not a big deal that he missed a game.
Again... consistency.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:39 pm to Broski
Whatever man, most posters in that thread were saying he was washed, when he's clearly not.
We both agree on the consistency being an issue. Let's leave it at that
We both agree on the consistency being an issue. Let's leave it at that
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:42 pm to whatiknowsofar
I don't think he's washed in the sense that he's not unplayable as a first option, but I also don't think he's in shape and his explosiveness is clearly not what it was when he first got in the league.
Like someone said, he leads the league in shots getting blocked this season, despite having missed two games.
Like someone said, he leads the league in shots getting blocked this season, despite having missed two games.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:16 pm to cgrand
quote:Zion said it's revenge season and we saw the offseason pics.
It’s a Make-or-Break Season for Zion Williamson’s Superstar Status- the ringer
That's all I needed to, I'm sold!!!
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:18 pm to cgrand
quote:Is this still a question?
Or, considering all the hype and attention Williamson’s basked in since day one, is he simply not as disruptive as everyone thought he would be?
If so, why?
Seems we rather obviously know the answer to this, unless we've forgotten what we all thought we were getting with Zion when we drafted him...
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:20 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Per Sportradar, so far this season, Zion is tied for ending the most plays driving to his left than any other player, while a league-high 16 of his shots have been blocked.
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what's left?
I see what you did there, very slick and punny!
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:23 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Issue is, he played 70, wasn't as good as what we thought we drafted and led us to... the play in.
He did the shaq thing last year, played 70 and got hurt
So even in 70 games at year 5, he was miles and miles away from a legit #1 option that can have his team be any kind of a threat team.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:23 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:He's not washed but he also not as good as year 2 Zion...
Whatever man, most posters in that thread were saying he was washed, when he's clearly not.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:42 pm to shel311
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He's not washed but he also not as good as year 2 Zion.
He gave you a year 2 stat line in his last game played. We're writing him off with less than 10 games into the books this season? Already?
Yikes
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:44 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He gave you a year 2 stat line in his last game played
Are you purposefully trying to gaslight?
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:46 pm to Broski
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Are you purposefully trying to gaslight?
I'm just trying to figure out what's allowed in this conversation. Because him playing well doesn't count i guess.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:49 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Cool, so that means he's as good as year 2 Zion because of that 1 game, and we get to ignore all the other games?
He gave you a year 2 stat line in his last game played
Zion is not as good as year 2 Zion. It's not terribly close.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:49 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I'm just trying to figure out what's allowed in this conversation
what a persecution complex. quote:
Because him playing well doesn't count i guess.
no one said this. Do you not understand what is being argued. Not even trying to be a dick, but you're either ignorant or afraid of the argument because of what it means for Zion.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:12 pm to Broski
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but you're either ignorant or afraid of the argument because of what it means for Zion.
I'm just not writing a guy off after a few games. That's all.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:15 pm to shel311
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so that means he's as good as year 2 Zion because of that 1 game, and we get to ignore all the other games?
What do you really think he's capable of this season shel? Give me some tangible numbers, ignore games played.
Tell me what you think he's going to put up pts assists and rebs. And his fg%
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:16 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I'm just not writing a guy off after a few games. That's all.
...but it's been more than "just a few games".
If Zion missing this B2B was not largely the norm throughout his entire 6-year career, it'd be easy to stomach these particular absences, because then it truly would be "just a few games"... but big picture, this is more of the same from him. I mean, this would be the third DNP for him less than 10 games into the season and he hasn't even had an actual injury yet, it's been sickness, tightness and soreness.
If you can't understand the trepidation, you're either not paying attention or being willfully ignorant because you're afraid of your own realization that this is more of the same from Zion and your fandom of him and this franchise can't take much more of it.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:23 pm to Broski
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you can't understand the trepidation
I do understand the trepidation. I don't understand writing him off.
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