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re: Is Ariza CP3's Pippen?
Posted on 8/13/10 at 2:06 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 8/13/10 at 2:06 pm to TigerinATL
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Yeah, they're the anomaly. Seems like a super star and a future Hall of Famer is the minimum
It absolutely is and has been that way for awhile. You have to go back to the 93 Rockets to see otherwise but I still think that Piston's team falls under this rule. People forget about Big Ben but he was a freak and had superstar popularity with how he played. Pulling down 15 boards a game and blocking anything that came in the lane made him a different kind of star from the guys who score a ton of points. They also had two guys on their team averaging between 17-20ppg
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Posted on 8/13/10 at 2:12 pm to Maximus
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the hakeem rockets also
The Hakeem rockets also what?
Posted on 8/13/10 at 2:12 pm to TigerinATL
If you look at Ariza's salary you can tell he isn't considered a true #2. He will be a great role/support player that we have been missing.
Posted on 8/13/10 at 3:38 pm to TEXASTIGER22
didnt have two stars?
Posted on 8/13/10 at 4:51 pm to DollaChoppa
You get Marc Gasol, that's your #2 star.
A lineup of
CP3- 20 ppg, #1 player
Thornton - 14-18 ppg scorer, #3 option
Ariza - Defender, spot up shooter, hustle player
Marc Gasol - 18 ppg scorer. Inside scoring threat
Then at the 4 if you get KMART type of player. An energy hard-nosed tough SOB that blocks shots, rebounds and plays excellent D while bringing toughness.
That team is competing for the WC. I'd prefer Thornton coming off the bench with a guy like a old school Cuttino Mobley starting. A shooter that can also put the ball on the floor. Maybe a Michael Redd ?
CP3
Redd
Ariza
KMart
Gasol
Thornton.
But first things first gotta get rid of Emeka.
A lineup of
CP3- 20 ppg, #1 player
Thornton - 14-18 ppg scorer, #3 option
Ariza - Defender, spot up shooter, hustle player
Marc Gasol - 18 ppg scorer. Inside scoring threat
Then at the 4 if you get KMART type of player. An energy hard-nosed tough SOB that blocks shots, rebounds and plays excellent D while bringing toughness.
That team is competing for the WC. I'd prefer Thornton coming off the bench with a guy like a old school Cuttino Mobley starting. A shooter that can also put the ball on the floor. Maybe a Michael Redd ?
CP3
Redd
Ariza
KMart
Gasol
Thornton.
But first things first gotta get rid of Emeka.
Posted on 8/13/10 at 9:27 pm to DollaChoppa
I thought that was what he was saying but I mentioned that, so I was curious what I was being called out on.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 12:57 am to TEXASTIGER22
after watching ariza in the '09 finals i think he could really come up big and i sure hope he does. the hornets just need consistent play and i think the trades they made in the offseason will help that!
go hornets!
go hornets!
Posted on 8/14/10 at 11:14 am to BayouBandit24
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after watching ariza in the '09 finals i think he could really come up big
Pippen may be shooting too high for Ariza, but I've always felt Jordan made Pippen. With Jordan Pippen is a 20/8/2.5/1.5 hall of fame stat sheet stuffer, without Jordan he's an 11/5/1.5/.5 ordinary stat sheet stuffer. Now that's not entirely fair because he was a 10 year vet once Jordan left, but the statistics do indicate Jordan helped his production tremendously.
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Ariza just seems like he's a similar jack of all trades complimentary player that will blossom running with CP3. But I guess we won't get to see much of it since he and West will be traded for Carmelo in 6 months
Posted on 8/14/10 at 11:57 am to TigerinATL
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Ariza just seems like he's a similar jack of all trades complimentary player that will blossom running with CP3. But I guess we won't get to see much of it since he and West will be traded for Carmelo in 6 months
I just think Ariza makes us significantly better on the wing. He's not a superstar, but he can run, he's athletic, can slash to the basket and can play solid defense. We may be giving up some 3 point shooting, but with others we have on the roster I'm willing to do so.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 12:11 pm to TigerinATL
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Pippen may be shooting too high for Ariza
Ariza doesn't have a fraction of the offensive game of Pippen. Pip proved his worth after MJ retired the first time. On a good team, Ariza is the fourth or fifth best player.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 12:27 pm to mattz1122
Hello
Welcome to the all new "NBA South West Division Board/Board for people to come over from Tiger Rant to spread their retard". Good to have ya.
Welcome to the all new "NBA South West Division Board/Board for people to come over from Tiger Rant to spread their retard". Good to have ya.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 12:38 pm to TEXASTIGER22
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spread their retard
For the record I'm trying to minimize my retard by asking questions.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 12:40 pm to TEXASTIGER22
I've already seen some gems here, like "Boy, Houston really got fricked over with losing Artest and Ariza. Their loss is our gain" and the comment that followed "Ain't that the truth. Must really suck to be a rockets fan now."
Posted on 8/14/10 at 2:50 pm to TigerinATL
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For the record I'm trying to minimize my retard by asking questions.
You are FAR from who i'm talking about. I havent posted on a board with people who have 53 posts in a long time so I forgot how dumb some of the shite they say is.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 2:52 pm to mattz1122
Wow, was that in the trade thread? I love how half of those people think he is gonna be the 2nd scoring option they have so desperately wanted
Posted on 8/14/10 at 2:59 pm to TEXASTIGER22
They fail to realize that Ariza was by far the most disliked Rocket last season.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 3:05 pm to mattz1122
He'd have to do some dumb shite to jump to the top of the list for most hated hornet. What was so bad about him anyway?
Posted on 8/14/10 at 3:07 pm to TigerinATL
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Pippen may be shooting too high for Ariza, but I've always felt Jordan made Pippen. With Jordan Pippen is a 20/8/2.5/1.5 hall of fame stat sheet stuffer, without Jordan he's an 11/5/1.5/.5 ordinary stat sheet stuffer. Now that's not entirely fair because he was a 10 year vet once Jordan left, but the statistics do indicate Jordan helped his production tremendously.
That's tremendously unfair to Pippen.
In 93/94 (completely without Jordan) Pippen went for 22 ppg, 5.6 assists, 8.7 rebounds, 2.9 steals
In 94/95 (without Jordan for all but 17 games) he went for 21.4 ppg, 5.2 assists, 8.1 rebounds, 2.9 steals
Posted on 8/14/10 at 3:18 pm to americanoutlaw
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What was so bad about him anyway?
People were frustrated with how bad he was on offense at times, even though he was paid to be a main contributor (mistake on the Rockets' part). That's why the Pippen comparison is funny. His upside is limited. He defense is great though - when he isn't going for steals too often.
I was actually a defender of Ariza and thought he'd be better alongside Martin for a full season after getting acclimated into Adelman's system. But this was a good trade for the Rockets.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 5:02 pm to TEXASTIGER22
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I love how half of those people think he is gonna be the 2nd scoring option they have so desperately wanted
Oh, I don't think he'll be the second scoring option. It's still Paul and West as the top two. Who knows, they may also get some production out of the SG position and Ariza may be the 4th scorer. HOWEVER, what I think Ariza does bring is some athleticism and defense that will improve the team. And given the state of the NBA today, his contract isn't horrible.
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