re: I’m terrified BI is on this team next year.

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What exactly do you think we’ll get back which will help this team in a sign and trade for BI? You’re not getting anything of significance.

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and how is that any different than right now, if we can't get anything good back? That's the point.

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I believe his agent is angling for the max

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well of course he is. Anyone would do that.

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’m just being real it doesn’t make sense to play this game with BI. If you believe in him give him the money; if not trade him.

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and that's more than likely the right scenario, assuming BI doesn't really want to be here anymore, which it kind of sounds like.
I don't think they believe in him, not enough to give him the max, and if they don't, then it probably is the best plan to just trade him for whatever.


But we have no idea what the relationship is between BI and the team at this moment. He may want to come back, or he may be telling them he doesn't want to regardless if they offered the max. We don't know that. We are all assuming a lot. I think if we see a trade that isn't ideal, it's probably b/c he simply didn't want to be here anymore and/or we didn't want him anymore, regardless of the extension amount.

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I personally think we would get more now than a sign/trade later.

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I would agree, but I don’t think it’s that big of a difference, nor does it stop us from trying to go after the real #2 we need to replace him next offseason.

We have plenty of assets to get whoever we want, when whoever that is becomes available.

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Can you explain why B doesn't fit? Is it based upon some stats or your eyes?

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Outdated shot profile. Not just middies, he shoots at the rim half as much as he did when we first got him.


Doesn't shoot enough 3s. This is doubly bad given our best player never shoots 3s. It's just not a good recipe for success with your 2 best players. Only other duo I can think of like that is Butler/Bam, who are both elite defensively, which our duo is not.

BI is best with the ball in his hands, and further, is just not good off ball. Again, not an ideal combo with Zion. Maybe if Zion was Jokic like we could get away with they, but he's not an elite facilitator.

Based on last year and what virtually ever Pels media dude will tell you, basically what BI said would go last season up until the All Star break. It's widely known by most we abandoned all the stuff we planned for 1 month into the season with Borregos offensive coaching because BI didn't like it and he talked Willie into going away from it. Granted, you can argue that's more of a Willie problem, and that ain't wrong, but it's a BI problem too.

I don't think we're THAT much worse without him, certainly not to the level of losing a max player and what you'd think you'd lose. Obviously if Zion goes down, BI would be very valuable but if Zion goes down we're screwed either way. Over the past 2 seasons combined, we have a higher, albeit slightly, winning % when BI doesn't play. No, I don't think we're flatly better without him. But like the first statement, it doesn't feel like we are down a max player without him. I feel we could grab a couple of $20 mil type role players who better fit, and though lesser players, we'd overall be a better team.


Pending extension. Take all of the above, and it just doesn't make sense for us to give him an extension.


For all these reasons, and given the timing with my last point, I think we absolutely positively HAVE to trade him this offseason, offers be damned. Take the best possible offer, doesn't matter how bed we think it is, that is what's best for the team imo.

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I know I write long arse posts, but the stats posted earlier today m clearly show he’s a more efficient scorer off the ball than on it.

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He plays off ball when Zion plays point. It was clearly stated he didn’t like point Zion and preferred to play on ball. He played on ball this season and now he prefers to have a point guard. I’m sorry its just excuse after excuse.

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Give him a PG and get him off the ball and i think his shot selection gets better.

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Zion was top 10 in the NBA in 3pt shot creation for teammates.

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In what way? b/c he shoots 3's?

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Yes

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Trey can do that. So can Hawkins.

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Can Hawkins do that to the level of CJ? I'll answer, no. CJ was arguably the best 3pt shooter in the NBA last season and can get a 3 up off the dribble. Hawkins cannot do what CJ does.

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If your #2 needs another pg or player to set him up just to take 3s- he shouldn’t be your #2.

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Disagree, this is fine.

The issue is when your #2 simply won't take 3s even when you have someone already on the team who is one of the best in the NBA at setting others up for 3s,and no one else on the team has the same issue, they can all let it fly.

I don't see who this mythical point guard is that will set BI up for 3s better than Zion. There is no available PG who will do that, because Zion is elite at it.

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But that doesn’t negate the reason that BI doesn’t like playing with point Zion

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You're making shite up again

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If you simply research advanced stats on ESPN, you will be awaken to facts. Yep Z has higher usage rate and lower defensive rating than B

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Zion is a walking fit issue in NBA rosters, but people want to blame that on BI. Zion has looked more like a supercharged Tyreke Evans than anything.

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Zion is a walking fit issue in NBA rosters, but people want to blame that on BI. Zion has looked more like a supercharged Tyreke Evans than anything.

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Lol Zion is elite and the organization has decided to build around him and is actively looking to trade BI. No one thinks hes Tyreke Evans lol