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I am done with the franchise until Gentry is terminated
Posted on 11/18/17 at 1:12 am
Posted on 11/18/17 at 1:12 am
Gentry is an arse clown who needs to be fired tomorrow and the injuries pile up yet again. Same shite, different year.
I'm boycotting the franchise until a change is made. We are not competing for anything as long as Gentry is the coach and Davis keeps getting hurt.
ETA - 146 points allowed in regulation is unacceptable. I quit watching after the score was 29-6
I'm boycotting the franchise until a change is made. We are not competing for anything as long as Gentry is the coach and Davis keeps getting hurt.
ETA - 146 points allowed in regulation is unacceptable. I quit watching after the score was 29-6
This post was edited on 11/18/17 at 1:14 am
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Posted on 11/18/17 at 1:37 am to schwartzy
Yeah I've extended the benefit of the doubt for Gentry this season, but tonight just reflected a poorly coached team.
No team has given up more points this season in a single game.
And you could tell with some of the effort late in the game it just reflected a poorly disciplined team.
Denver is a solid offense, 9th in the league, but they aren't the Warriors or the Rockets. There is no excuse to give up this many points, even if Davis was out all game. Jamal Murray looked like an allstar after shooting below 28% all season from three.
Rondo is not a bad defender, Jrue, Cunningham, Davis, Cousins, all average to great defenders respectively. There is just no excuse to continue to allow the same problems all season and see no improvement whatsoever. Like closing out on threes, Jrue slacking off for entire games and over-biting on switches, gambling, that leaves guys wide open.
No team has given up more points this season in a single game.
And you could tell with some of the effort late in the game it just reflected a poorly disciplined team.
Denver is a solid offense, 9th in the league, but they aren't the Warriors or the Rockets. There is no excuse to give up this many points, even if Davis was out all game. Jamal Murray looked like an allstar after shooting below 28% all season from three.
Rondo is not a bad defender, Jrue, Cunningham, Davis, Cousins, all average to great defenders respectively. There is just no excuse to continue to allow the same problems all season and see no improvement whatsoever. Like closing out on threes, Jrue slacking off for entire games and over-biting on switches, gambling, that leaves guys wide open.
This post was edited on 11/18/17 at 1:52 am
Posted on 11/18/17 at 2:32 am to schwartzy
And demps. We can not forget about demps
Posted on 11/18/17 at 6:15 am to bonhoeffer45
Jrue doesn’t deserve that big contract if he can’t make threes
Posted on 11/18/17 at 6:53 am to swlaLSUfan
What sucks is that both of them probably won’t get fired anytime soon
Posted on 11/18/17 at 9:20 am to schwartzy
I've been over it until Demps get fired.
Gentry is a sub par coach, but he's playing with half a deck.
Gentry is a sub par coach, but he's playing with half a deck.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 9:28 am to htran90
It’s possible for Demps and Gentry to equally suck. And they do.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 9:30 am to LSUpelsSaints
quote:
It’s possible for Demps and Gentry to equally suck. And they do.
Between the two, gentry is the better coach than Dell is at being a gm
Both suck, but Demps is the key problem that needs to be dealt with
Posted on 11/18/17 at 9:37 am to htran90
I really don’t think the word “better” can be used to describe anything with Gentry. The true root of the entire problem is ownership and how this team is structured and operated, but that’s a much bigger problem for another day.
Cleaning of the house needs to be done ASAP, to hopefully pump some life and get this teams head out of its arse.
Cleaning of the house needs to be done ASAP, to hopefully pump some life and get this teams head out of its arse.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 10:07 am to htran90
Correction - Benson is the key problem
But yes, of the ones that can actually be addressed, Dell has done a worse job
But yes, of the ones that can actually be addressed, Dell has done a worse job
Posted on 11/18/17 at 10:12 am to Crewz
It’s amazing to look at this roster Dell has surrounded AD with after now 6 years of being in the league. Pathetic. 6 years in the league and only one playoff appearance you would think that they have at least one young guy who shows great promise to grow with AD. Nope. Nothing. Maybe one of the worse rosters in the league that are actually vying for a playoff spot.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 11:47 am to Domingo Ayala
Yeah Dell is ultimately the core problem here.
Even if you still want to defend his method of roster construction around AD: selling off assets to acquire second contract “young veterans” to speed up the rebuild process, vs the now more standardized slow and patient through the draft and free agency teams like Philly, Minnesota, Washington, Milwaukee, and Denver, Dell has been awful at his own model.
And he consistently makes poor decisions with what money he has every offseason. Overpaying for Moore and Hill, inking Asik to a major contract after giving up a first rounder. The Jrue/Evans/Gordon back court experiment, paying Ajinca 7th man money. Now paying Jrue. He consistently operates with self created anchors wrapped around this franchise which prompts more desperate moves and than a desperation to dumpster dive to shore up the self created roster deficiencies from poor top end roster management.
I mean would anyone think we have more losses this season if instead of Jrue we let him walk, signed Rondo, signed C.J. Miles perhaps, some better filler, than rolled out Rondo, Moore, Miles, AD, and Cousins? Because let’s be real, if you are handed AD and Cousins in a vacuum and told “build around these guys” no one in their right mind is going to think “you know what this duo needs? A 25 million dollar streaky, indecisive, and turnover prone combo guard that can’t hit threes consistently or get to the line.” Lets also saddle that combo guard with a coach and system that historically operates best with high IQ players that can hit a high percentage from three and make smart, lightning fast reads and decisions in an up tempo system: CP3, Nash, Curry, Dragic.
Gentry is a problem, but Demps is the much bigger one. Give Gentry the surrounding cast of the Pistons(which itself isn’t some beautiful model of roster management) and I think no one makes this thread TBH, instead we are probably speculating championship potential, which just again emphasizes how bad Demps has been at making cohesive rosters around one of the best players in the league. Two now.
Even if you still want to defend his method of roster construction around AD: selling off assets to acquire second contract “young veterans” to speed up the rebuild process, vs the now more standardized slow and patient through the draft and free agency teams like Philly, Minnesota, Washington, Milwaukee, and Denver, Dell has been awful at his own model.
And he consistently makes poor decisions with what money he has every offseason. Overpaying for Moore and Hill, inking Asik to a major contract after giving up a first rounder. The Jrue/Evans/Gordon back court experiment, paying Ajinca 7th man money. Now paying Jrue. He consistently operates with self created anchors wrapped around this franchise which prompts more desperate moves and than a desperation to dumpster dive to shore up the self created roster deficiencies from poor top end roster management.
I mean would anyone think we have more losses this season if instead of Jrue we let him walk, signed Rondo, signed C.J. Miles perhaps, some better filler, than rolled out Rondo, Moore, Miles, AD, and Cousins? Because let’s be real, if you are handed AD and Cousins in a vacuum and told “build around these guys” no one in their right mind is going to think “you know what this duo needs? A 25 million dollar streaky, indecisive, and turnover prone combo guard that can’t hit threes consistently or get to the line.” Lets also saddle that combo guard with a coach and system that historically operates best with high IQ players that can hit a high percentage from three and make smart, lightning fast reads and decisions in an up tempo system: CP3, Nash, Curry, Dragic.
Gentry is a problem, but Demps is the much bigger one. Give Gentry the surrounding cast of the Pistons(which itself isn’t some beautiful model of roster management) and I think no one makes this thread TBH, instead we are probably speculating championship potential, which just again emphasizes how bad Demps has been at making cohesive rosters around one of the best players in the league. Two now.
This post was edited on 11/18/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 11/18/17 at 2:22 pm to bonhoeffer45
Defensive coach: let's trade our defensive center (Lopez), let go of two defensive sfs (afa, ariza) and go after 2 other offensive guards.
Then when that doesn't work, trade a 1st for a defensive big. Made the playoffs because the coach somehow salvaged the season with d leaguers. Fires coach. Double downs and signs the two bigs to huge $$ and long contracts. Hires a coach that don't use bigs very much, especially not slow ones.
Yeah. Gentry sucks. Monty was probably more above average than we thought, but dell is the worst gm in NBA.
Then when that doesn't work, trade a 1st for a defensive big. Made the playoffs because the coach somehow salvaged the season with d leaguers. Fires coach. Double downs and signs the two bigs to huge $$ and long contracts. Hires a coach that don't use bigs very much, especially not slow ones.
Yeah. Gentry sucks. Monty was probably more above average than we thought, but dell is the worst gm in NBA.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 3:55 pm to htran90
quote:Absolutely agree with you, it makes no sense to fire Gentry when Demps is the one that needs to go first. He brought in Gentry when he shouldn't have fired Monty Williams. I have watched Demps make boneheaded decision after decision, give away first round picks all the time. He drafts bad, I wanted them to draft Jamal Murray and he takes Buddy Hield, Denver takes Murray right after they took Hield. Murray has proven to be the better shooter in the pros as I knew he would. He killed the Pelicans last night.
Both suck, but Demps is the key problem that needs to be dealt with.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 4:05 pm to schwartzy
Gentry sucks
Posted on 11/18/17 at 4:23 pm to C3W
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it makes no sense to fire Gentry when Demps is the one that needs to go first
How about just clean house and fire them both at the same time. Temporarily for the rest of this year, let Ferry take over as interim GM and Erman as interim head coach.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 4:36 pm to LSUpelsSaints
If you are making major changes and trying to do it right, you fire the GM and give them autonomy to make the calls on staff.
The worst thing to do is to fire Demps, for Gentry, reach for the closest replacements, and than pull an Orgeron scenario and tell
them to prove it.
Do it right, fire Demps, do a thorough hiring process and audit of the organization. Narrow down a field of candidates that best fit those needs, then make the selection and give them room to work.
The worst thing to do is to fire Demps, for Gentry, reach for the closest replacements, and than pull an Orgeron scenario and tell
them to prove it.
Do it right, fire Demps, do a thorough hiring process and audit of the organization. Narrow down a field of candidates that best fit those needs, then make the selection and give them room to work.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 4:46 pm to tubucoco
quote:
Absolutely agree with you, it makes no sense to fire Gentry when Demps is the one that needs to go first. He brought in Gentry when he shouldn't have fired Monty Williams. I have watched Demps make boneheaded decision after decision, give away first round picks all the time. He drafts bad, I wanted them to draft Jamal Murray and he takes Buddy Hield, Denver takes Murray right after they took Hield. Murray has proven to be the better shooter in the pros as I knew he would. He killed the Pelicans last night.
Except he isn't the better shooter or scorer. similar number of attempts
careers:
Buddy: 42.5/39.1/84.0
This year: 41.9/39.7/83.3
Murray: 41.3/32.9/88.9
This year: 45.1/30.1/90.9
Posted on 11/18/17 at 5:33 pm to htran90
Wait
People still think heild is a better scorer, shooter whatever than Murray?
People still think heild is a better scorer, shooter whatever than Murray?
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:25 am to GynoSandberg
You right though, the stats don't tell the whole story. I mean just look what Murray did to the Pelicans last nite. Hield is just not the same type of player that Murray is, Murray has better range and all, just a much better player.This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 12:30 am
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