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re: How can we get BI to unleash his dawg 24/7? (Assertiveness)
Posted on 8/13/23 at 9:06 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/13/23 at 9:06 pm to shel311
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Not sure why were acting like it's a crazy idea that Brown is better
A simple eye test clearly shows who is the more skilled player. Brown is a great athlete, good shooter and defender, but is woeful in terms of creation annd playmaking for others. You can say he doesn’t need to with Tatum, Horford, White, and formerly Smart on the team, but when the team needed him to do so he clearly was not up to the task. I try not to conflate team success with player evaluation.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 9:20 pm
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:12 pm to BayouFann
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Wilt before Bird. No others are worthy of this.
bill russell
jerry sloan.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 4:46 am to shel311
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Not sure why were acting like it's a crazy idea that Brown is better, it's certainly not farfetched
It's a good debate. I believe that Brown is a bit overrated and I'm not touching him on a super max deal. He's not a franchise player to me. His fit with Tatum seems to be clunky, which is a concern.
I actually went and looked at several redrafts of 2016 (LINK ). Most kept Ingram at #2 or down to 3. Most are putting Murray at 1. I would go with Sabonis or Siakhim. Top 5-6 is pretty loaded.
But it seems that Ingram vs. Brown is not as clear as you think..
Posted on 8/14/23 at 9:39 am to Pistol44
quote:Different discussion than what we're having.
A simple eye test clearly shows who is the more skilled player.
Kobe was more skilled than Lebron. No one you take seriously thinks Kobe was better than Lebron.
We were discussing who was better, not who was more skilled.
quote:He was better than Tatum in the Finals.
but when the team needed him to do so he clearly was not up to the task.
quote:This is all fine, it doesn't change that it's not a crazy thought to say he's better than BI, and I'd argue further that those outs of BOS or NOP, Brown being better is probably something you'd hear more than the other way around. My only argument is it's not a crazy take, which is certainly is not.
Brown is a great athlete, good shooter and defender, but is woeful in terms of creation annd playmaking for others. You can say he doesn’t need to with Tatum, Horford, White, and formerly Smart on the team
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:37 am to 50_Tiger
We have to give him permission to dominate.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:39 am to BayouFann
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Wilt before Bird
Oh wow. Wilt a “dawg”. That’s comically wrong.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:44 am to shel311
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Brown scores more and more efficiently
Their scoring is very similar, BI has him beat by a tenth of a percentage point in TS%. Brown is the better defensive player and BI is the better facilitator.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:37 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Solid breakdown, different players but very much right in the same tier/ranking and could go either way.
Their scoring is very similar, BI has him beat by a tenth of a percentage point in TS%. Brown is the better defensive player and BI is the better facilitator.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:41 am to shel311
Lot of people including Ex NBA players who played with both Kobe and LeBron have Kobe ranked higher.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:37 pm to Pistol44
quote:Don't take any one of those folks' basketball opinions seriously.
Lot of people including Ex NBA players who played with both Kobe and LeBron have Kobe ranked higher.
Ex NBA players are also notorious for having horrific takes. Many of them can't remove biases, and we see all the time some of the awful takes they have.
I probably shouldn't have made that comparison as to not hijack this thread, but there is zero logic in arguing Kobe over Lebron. It is a great litmus test to find out very quickly if someone knows little about basketball or like I said, can't remove biases enough to avoid making a really bad take, like Kobe>Lebron would be.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:44 pm to shel311
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but there is zero logic in arguing Kobe over Lebron.
In what sense?
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:45 pm to brmark70816
quote:In the sense of who is the better basketball player.
In what sense?
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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who is the better basketball player
That is complicated. It would depend on the context.
Bryant had a better career (unless James does something extraordinary the next year or two). So I can see people arguing that side.
Players admire grit and effort. Bryant was much less talented and overachieved. Hard to say that about James, who is possibly the most gifted player ever..
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:05 pm to brmark70816
quote:It's not at all.
That is complicated. It would depend on the context.
quote:He hasn't at all.
Bryant had a better career (unless James does something extraordinary the next year or two). So I can see people arguing that side.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:24 pm to brmark70816
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Bryant had a better career
He absofrickinglutely did not have a better career than LeBron
Posted on 8/14/23 at 1:33 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He absofrickinglutely did not have a better career than LeBron
I'm sure we view careers differently. But one team, more rings and all the individual awards for validation. If you took the 2 careers and I asked you which would you rather live, which is more impressive. Almost everybody is picking Bryant's. I am. I take Duncan's too.
That's not saying either is a greater player. Honestly I believe James has underachieved relative to his talent. But that's not how everyone ranks or who they give the most credit.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 2:28 pm to brmark70816
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Bryant had a better career
No, no. No one can legitimately be this stupid. This is more of your contrarian bullshite. Jesus dude, just stop.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 2:35 pm to brmark70816
quote:No
If you took the 2 careers and I asked you which would you rather live, which is more impressive. Almost everybody is picking Bryant's.
Kobe has more titles (team accomplishment) and more all defensive teams. That's it
Lebron has more All stars, 4x as many MVPs, 2x as many Finals MVPs, more All NBA 1st Teams, more All NBA teams.
It's just not close, especially when you consider all the individual records Lebron owns like the scoring record, and just the fact that he averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks per game as well as total, as well as a better FG% and 3pt% and TS% for both regular season and playoffs, etc.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/14/23 at 2:49 pm to shel311
Then throw in one of the two titles Kobe won without Shaq. He single-handedly kept the Celtics in Game 7 of that series with that 6-24 stink bomb he put up. And I hate both of them; but there is just no rational basis to argue Kobe was better than LeBron.
This post was edited on 8/14/23 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/14/23 at 4:27 pm to LSUgrad88
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Then throw in one of the two titles Kobe won without Shaq.
Speaking of Shaq...the NBA is notorius for assisting players that they wish to become "Superstars" if they are not capable of getting there on their own. Shaq was maybe the best example of this of ANY... NBA player. The NBA can/will actually change the rules and/or the way the game is called by the refs...whenever they think the league will benefit from "creating" another Superstar. Shaq obviously needed help (offensively). You either know EXACTLY what I am talking about...or you have NO clue.
By the way...Jabbar was probably the greatest example of a true "Superstar" who needed absolutely NO help to become a Superstar. Once again, this is either very obvious to you...or you have no idea...what I am talking about.
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