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re: Hawkins is now the 6th man off the bench for the Pels, but I'd love a platoon lineup
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:04 am to LSUPilot07
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:04 am to LSUPilot07
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Trey Murphy says hi.
Trey does bring a couple of different things to the bench, but Hawkins is providing some off the dribble stuff that you need from a 3pt shooter.
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:06 am to Bonkers119
I’ve been waiting 4 years now for Zion and Ingram to be healthy together and take off.
Now I’m just waiting to see Murphy and Hawkins healthy together and watch out answer to the splash brothers go en fuego on somebody.
We’ve never had two good high volume three point shooters. When Peja was here, the next best shooters were rasual butler or mo Peterson.
Anderson and Gordon never did it here for us. When we had Mirotic the next best shooter was Jrue or Darius Miller.
Murphy and Hawkins are going to deliver a modern nba offense to the pelicans and I’m here for it.
Edited to add:
I think last year Trey and CJ were actually the best ever duo the pelicans have had. Both shot more than 6 3’s a game at a better than .385 clip.
Don’t think the Pels have ever had a pair of teammates do that before last year.
Now I’m just waiting to see Murphy and Hawkins healthy together and watch out answer to the splash brothers go en fuego on somebody.
We’ve never had two good high volume three point shooters. When Peja was here, the next best shooters were rasual butler or mo Peterson.
Anderson and Gordon never did it here for us. When we had Mirotic the next best shooter was Jrue or Darius Miller.
Murphy and Hawkins are going to deliver a modern nba offense to the pelicans and I’m here for it.
Edited to add:
I think last year Trey and CJ were actually the best ever duo the pelicans have had. Both shot more than 6 3’s a game at a better than .385 clip.
Don’t think the Pels have ever had a pair of teammates do that before last year.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:33 am to whatiknowsofar
While Hawkins is a spacer, Hawkins movement most generates spacing for himself. That will obviously change when teams really start to scheme to defend him. What Trey does is provide Spacing for the entire team. With his range out to 30 feet behind the basket, it generates a lot of space on the floor. That's a special kind of spacer and he does it with elite efficiency.
Trey supposedly is going to incorporate movement into his game this season and add some additional on ball to his game. We'll see how much of a leap he makes this year. I'm excited to see what that looks like on the court.
Trey supposedly is going to incorporate movement into his game this season and add some additional on ball to his game. We'll see how much of a leap he makes this year. I'm excited to see what that looks like on the court.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:57 am to Pels_Yaz
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Man you really need an anxiety medication. You’re worrying about things 2/3 years down the line?
It's almost:
"Oh, no. We have too many good players!"
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:25 pm to supe12sta12z
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While Hawkins is a spacer, Hawkins movement most generates spacing for himself. That will obviously change when teams really start to scheme to defend him. What Trey does is provide Spacing for the entire team
The spacing Trey and Hawkins can provide is going to be awesome.
The nuggets won last year on the back of Jokic. And Jokic operated on a team with Porter shooting .414 on 7.3 attempts and Murray shooting .398 on 6.6 attempts.
Murphy shot .406 last year on 6.3 attempts, for reference.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I think it's safe to say Hawkins is better at this point in his career than Trey was
Yes absolutely
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Trey is going to have to earn his role back on the court
No what the actual frick are you talking about?
Like I get it you earn your role in the NBA but Trey was pushing for starter minutes before he got injured he’s not getting relegated to 15 mpg for nothing.
Not to mention sample size with Trey vs Hawkins is night and day. I love Hawkins and think he’ll be great but he’s not a threat to Trey’s minutes right now in that way
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:58 pm to ghost2most
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I think Hawkins emergence along with Dyson's growth are more ammo for pushing for a BI swap for a big man trade.
It’s coming. We are gonna add something we need and restock the war chest.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:25 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:What? Are you joking? Trey shot almost 41% in 79 games last year (40% for his career - 141 games).
and Trey is going to have to earn his role back on the court.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:43 pm to NOSHAU
I might be taking crazy pills, but didn't Trey play some minutes at the "5" last season? Anyone have stats on how many minutes he got last season and how it worked out?
Obviously not a permanent thing, but may work for small ball.
Obviously not a permanent thing, but may work for small ball.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:52 pm to THRILLHO
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might be taking crazy pills, but didn't Trey play some minutes at the "5" last season? Anyone have stats on how many minutes he got last season and how it worked out? Obviously not a permanent thing, but may work for small ball.
We played minutes where Zion and Trey were the 4/5 duo and were kind of interchangeable in terms of who was 4 and who was 5
To me it looks like Trey has put on some muscle since last year and I would love to see some minutes with him at the 5 just to see it
He’s 6’10” so he’s tall enough
Posted on 11/15/23 at 8:02 pm to THRILLHO
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I might be taking crazy pills, but didn't Trey play some minutes at the "5" last season? Anyone have stats on how many minutes he got last season and how it worked out?
he apparently grew over the offseason. he would get completely fricking bullied, but it would be interesting.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 8:19 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Trey's TS% was .650 last season.
What? Are you joking? Trey shot almost 41% in 79 games last year (40% for his career - 141 games).
We're going crazy about Hawkins, and rightfully so, and his TS% is .539.
Trey doesn't have to re-earn anything, he's already earned all the playing time, and Hawkins hasn't stolen a single minute from Trey.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 8:27 pm to shel311
Not to mention if Trey can get to the line he is literally one of the best FT shooters in the league
Which is a huge +
Which is a huge +
Posted on 11/15/23 at 8:52 pm to shel311
Trey is going to go nuclear in this offense.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:03 pm to Terrific Tales
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We played minutes where Zion and Trey were the 4/5 duo and were kind of interchangeable in terms of who was 4 and who was 5
That's what I thought. Curious to see the ORTG/DRTG if anyone has access to those lineups.
Given how we typically handle the CJ/Zion/BI minutes and substitutions (when healthy), we could pretty easily have a "2nd team" lineup with something like
Jose
Herb
Hawkins
Zion
Trey
If Zion is going all out on both ends of the court, the only weakness I can think of is rebounding. With CJ/BI/Val coming in after that group destroys the other "backups".
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:03 pm to Terrific Tales
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Not to mention if Trey can get to the line he is literally one of the best FT shooters in the league
Trey is gonna be a good one...but to take the next step...he's gonna have to aggressively take the ball to the hoop more often. Follow the rule of three..."ONLY take 3-pters...and 3-footers"...
If he doesn't learn to go hard to the hoop...he'll top out fairly soon...& can be decently neutralized fairly easily. GO TO THE HOOP...and bring that FTr up to something a bit more respectable. Then...he could easily become the "best" player on the Pels...unless Herb learns to shoot the 3-pt shot at 38% or better.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:13 pm to THRILLHO
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If Zion is going all out on both ends of the court, the only weakness I can think of is rebounding. With CJ/BI/Val coming in after that group destroys the other "backups".
Even with Zion giving max effort, defense would still be a weakness of that lineup. The thing is the offense would be so good all we would need is for the defense to be not in the “atrocious” category and that lineup would be Uber positive
Which is something I think they could accomplish
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:14 pm to MrJimBeam
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Trey is going to go nuclear in this offense.
as long as he is, I am really interested to see how he plays on and off ball D. he gives effort, so that isn't an issue. Its whether he can get his feet where they need to be.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:16 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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If he doesn't learn to go hard to the hoop...he'll top out fairly soon...& can be decently neutralized fairly easily. GO TO THE HOOP...and bring that FTr up to something a bit more respectable. Then...he could easily become the "best" player on the Pels...unless Herb learns to shoot the 3-pt shot at 38% or better.
Agree to an extent. Obviously the analytics suggest 3 pters and 3 footers are the best, but with Trey’s length and ability to rise up really all he needs to do is shoot it when he’s open, be able to drive on close outs and if the rim path is there take it but I could see him developing an absolutely gross middy as well
We’ll see though because that was with Trey in the past and to me he looks substantially bigger this season, which really may lend itself to him getting to the rim more often
We’ll see
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:31 pm to Terrific Tales
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Agree to an extent. Obviously the analytics suggest 3 pters and 3 footers are the best, but with Trey’s length and ability to rise up really all he needs to do is shoot it when he’s open, be able to drive on close outs and if the rim path is there take it but I could see him developing an absolutely gross middy as well
In today's game...with Trey's 3-pt shooting ability AND size and hopefully increased strength...I can't imagine a worse thing for Trey to do...than to try & develope a midrange game at this stage. (MAYBE a 5-foot floater but that's it !!)
NBA players, assuming they have a "modern" game... aren't exactly lining up to learn to shoot the midrange shot...and for good reason. Then again...maybe they ARE...and I'm in the dark. I've been wrong before...but I'm having trouble remembering when it was.
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