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Have the Pelicans already found their 3 man big rotation of the future?
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:03 am
ETA: this post is mostly about priorities in a guard/wing driven league. We shouldn’t be spending 50 million on bigs when we have 1 starter and 2 mid rotation level players at 1-3/small ball 4. It’s Jrue as a starter and Kenrich/Elfrid as rotation level. The chance to lock up 3 efficient bigs for extremely team friendly deals should be looked at very carefully by the team in the offseason.
This rotation has low key been the strength and backbone of the team in this post AD era.
People will likely laugh because it’s Big Tyreke, a castoff, and a baby giraffe, but let’s dive in to what these guys are doing
These stats are for the entire season, not just post AD.
Per 100 Possessions
Julius Randle - 32.0/13.8/4.6 on 53% from the field 116/111 Orating/Drating (+5 net rating)
Jahlil Okafor - 24.2/14.2/1.9 on 59% from the field 119/111 Orating/Drating (+8 net rating)
Cheick Diallo - 20.9/17.4/1.4 on 65% from the field 121/106 Orating/Drating (+15 net rating)
Anthony Davis (for comparison) - 36.7/16.7/5.5 on 51% from the field 123/105 Orating/Drating (+18 net rating)
Advanced Metrics
Julius Randle - 61% True Shooting %, .151 WS/48, 21.4 PER, TRB % 15.5%
Jahlil Okafor - 61% True Shooting %, .138 WS/48, 18.8 PER, TRB % 15.9%
Cheick Diallo - 66% True Shooting %, .160 WS/48, 19.0 PER, TRB % 19.3 %
Anthony Davis (for comparison) - 60% True Shooting %, .259 WS/48, 30.4 PER, TRB% 18.7%
Add in the fact that these guys could likely be had for a total of 25-30 million/season...that’s a potential bargain...
All 3 are top 40 in the NBA in TRB %, Top 57 in the NBA in PER, Top 66 in the NBA in WS/48...that’s umm pretty decent.
This rotation has low key been the strength and backbone of the team in this post AD era.
People will likely laugh because it’s Big Tyreke, a castoff, and a baby giraffe, but let’s dive in to what these guys are doing
These stats are for the entire season, not just post AD.
Per 100 Possessions
Julius Randle - 32.0/13.8/4.6 on 53% from the field 116/111 Orating/Drating (+5 net rating)
Jahlil Okafor - 24.2/14.2/1.9 on 59% from the field 119/111 Orating/Drating (+8 net rating)
Cheick Diallo - 20.9/17.4/1.4 on 65% from the field 121/106 Orating/Drating (+15 net rating)
Anthony Davis (for comparison) - 36.7/16.7/5.5 on 51% from the field 123/105 Orating/Drating (+18 net rating)
Advanced Metrics
Julius Randle - 61% True Shooting %, .151 WS/48, 21.4 PER, TRB % 15.5%
Jahlil Okafor - 61% True Shooting %, .138 WS/48, 18.8 PER, TRB % 15.9%
Cheick Diallo - 66% True Shooting %, .160 WS/48, 19.0 PER, TRB % 19.3 %
Anthony Davis (for comparison) - 60% True Shooting %, .259 WS/48, 30.4 PER, TRB% 18.7%
Add in the fact that these guys could likely be had for a total of 25-30 million/season...that’s a potential bargain...
All 3 are top 40 in the NBA in TRB %, Top 57 in the NBA in PER, Top 66 in the NBA in WS/48...that’s umm pretty decent.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 11:56 am
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:09 am to ShamelessPel
No
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:18 am to Macintosh504
Well I’m not sold completely, but you thinking they haven’t makes me think they have.
In an era where bigs are valued less and less each year, the Pels could lock up 3 very efficient ones and focus more on improving their 1-3 and small ball 4 spots.
In an era where bigs are valued less and less each year, the Pels could lock up 3 very efficient ones and focus more on improving their 1-3 and small ball 4 spots.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:23 am to ShamelessPel
Can't say for sure but I do know people on this board don't give Randle enough credit.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:30 am to ShamelessPel
I would certainly keep Cheick
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:33 am to Unknown_Poster
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Can't say for sure but I do know people on this board don't give Randle enough credit.
To be fair, he’s playing much more well rounded basketball post deadline than he was earlier in the year. He’s been much less frustrating to watch.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:56 am to Overbrook
quote:It'll be interesting to see his market this summer.
I would certainly keep Cheick
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:57 am to tgr4ever
I’m getting downvoted to shite with no discernible better ideas or rebuttals. Kind of see why Crewz shits on this board. Discussion about actual basketball and on court play is dead.
Even better I posed it as a question, so people are down voting the effort put in to this post? Duly noted for the future.
Even better I posed it as a question, so people are down voting the effort put in to this post? Duly noted for the future.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:07 pm to ShamelessPel
You make great points that all 3 guys have been playing really well. It may make sense to replace one of them with a better rim-protecting player (WCS, Dedmon, Jaxson Hayes?).
The question earlier, what kind of offers will Diallo get in free agency I wonder? I see he's an RFA in the offseason. Hope he sticks around.
The question earlier, what kind of offers will Diallo get in free agency I wonder? I see he's an RFA in the offseason. Hope he sticks around.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:30 pm to ShamelessPel
Randle has gotten far better as a shooter yeah he's no Niko but it alleviates a lot of spacing concerns and the % is legit because he's taking far more 3s(he'll probably be near 200 attempts at the end of the season)
He just turned 24 a few months ago and he isn't in his prime yet and can improve even further as a shooter/defender
I'm with you on Diallo but if the pels get a late teens pick from the Celtics I'd like to get a run protector to develop behind Jah
He just turned 24 a few months ago and he isn't in his prime yet and can improve even further as a shooter/defender
I'm with you on Diallo but if the pels get a late teens pick from the Celtics I'd like to get a run protector to develop behind Jah
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:50 pm to ShamelessPel
I think the biggest concern is that their is a much larger sample size saying that these three aren’t the players that they have shown the last three months. Diallo has had multiple opportunities and he has failed. Jah and Randle kind of are who they are. Jah has been inconsistent just over the last two months since he has started getting a good bit more playing time. Randle has shown that he doesn’t always contribute to winning basketball over the large sample size.
My biggest concern is that their is no rim protection in that group. There is also little defensive versatility, especially between Jah and Randle. Diallo has also shown to really struggle with team defensive concepts. I’m just not sure the last three weeks is a big enough sample for me to invest in these three as a unit going forward.
My biggest concern is that their is no rim protection in that group. There is also little defensive versatility, especially between Jah and Randle. Diallo has also shown to really struggle with team defensive concepts. I’m just not sure the last three weeks is a big enough sample for me to invest in these three as a unit going forward.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:02 pm to ShamelessPel
How much of it has him being forced to step up since Niko is gone and AD is on reduced minutes?
Him stepping up has been worth sending Niko out, regardless of the picks we are getting in return. Niko gets to contend for a ring and we get to see Randle develop.
Him stepping up has been worth sending Niko out, regardless of the picks we are getting in return. Niko gets to contend for a ring and we get to see Randle develop.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:09 pm to ThePistol
Maybe Diallo’s struggles has to do more with the play style and offense catered to Davis/Mirotic/Cousins than ability and IQ. Chemistry plays a role in it also. Diablo had 0 chemistry with those guys for whatever reason.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:48 pm to supe12sta12z
Well, he never played. Of course he wouldn't have chemistry with them.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:06 pm to ThePistol
quote:
I think the biggest concern is that their is a much larger sample size saying that these three aren’t the players that they have shown the last three months. Diallo has had multiple opportunities and he has failed. Jah and Randle kind of are who they are. Jah has been inconsistent just over the last two months since he has started getting a good bit more playing time. Randle has shown that he doesn’t always contribute to winning basketball over the large sample size.
My biggest concern is that their is no rim protection in that group. There is also little defensive versatility, especially between Jah and Randle. Diallo has also shown to really struggle with team defensive concepts. I’m just not sure the last three weeks is a big enough sample for me to invest in these three as a unit going forward.
It’s certainly a concern to see smaller sample sizes, but the “glass half full” side to that is that Diallo is showing that he can make a big impact in limited minutes off the bench.
The biggest upside to all of these guys is cost. Really my biggest concern in the group is if Randle is playing his way into a much larger contract in the offseason.
The thing with Okafor that people need to remember is that this is his first year in the league where he’s in shape and buying in. You kind of have to throw out the “fat years” to some extent. If he can come in next season in the same shape and conditioning that he’s at now, he’s very feasible at that 20-25 minute starting role next to Randle while we finish with the small ball lineup hopefully next year.
There’s always options to upgrade. Taking a flyer on Gafford or similar with an extra pick is definitely on the table. It’s just, for now, I would much prefer to shore up the 1-3 spots as a priority as they are the weakest spots on the team.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:20 pm to ShamelessPel
Randle needs a better coach. Plain and simple. Good athlete, but needs to fit in or have a coach who can make him a super sixth man like Andre Iguodala.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:41 pm to Suntiger
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Randle needs a better coach. Plain and simple. Good athlete, but needs to fit in or have a coach who can make him a super sixth man like Andre Iguodala.
Like ATL said, he appears very coachable and Gentry deserves some of that credit. He does not look like the same player we saw 2-3 months ago.
I’m not sure why people would be down on Gentry right now. There’s something positive brewing here with our team chemistry minus Davis.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:44 pm to Suntiger
Honestly all 3 have extreme weaknesses that would be exposed in a playoff series.
I’m happy for them that they are playing well bc they all seem like good guys to cheer for but i would not commit long term to any unless it’s on very team friendly deals.
I’m happy for them that they are playing well bc they all seem like good guys to cheer for but i would not commit long term to any unless it’s on very team friendly deals.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 4:02 pm to ShamelessPel
Randle, okafor and any young active big is a strong bench frontcourt. If those guys are your second unit bigs you can win with that. so yes, I hope Randle come back on his option deal and okafor can continue to be a positive on cheap money. Diallo can and probably should be upgraded
your starting 3/4/5 next year will hopefully be Tatum/FA power forward(Niko?)/a lopez brother or Noel
add holiday and Payton as starters, brown and smart with the bench bigs, and you’ve got a 40-45 win team with far better depth and a better cap sheet that next years team with Davis
the rookie draft picks can then work in slowly and not have to do things they can’t do yet
your starting 3/4/5 next year will hopefully be Tatum/FA power forward(Niko?)/a lopez brother or Noel
add holiday and Payton as starters, brown and smart with the bench bigs, and you’ve got a 40-45 win team with far better depth and a better cap sheet that next years team with Davis
the rookie draft picks can then work in slowly and not have to do things they can’t do yet
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 4:07 pm to Suntiger
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a super sixth man like Andre Iguodala.
iggy can shoot and play defense
Randle is an offensive weapon only
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