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Griff vs Presti recap
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:56 pm
Presti: takes on Paul’s contract (whom a few wanted on here) at the time believed to be an albatross for a first round pick. Flips him to Phoenix for essentially two first round picks. So net value +3 FRP
Takes on Horfords awful contract for a first round pick. Flips him a year later for Kemba(whom a few also wanted this year) for another first. Net value +2 FRP
Griff: trades for Adam’s awful one year 30 million dollar contract for a first and essentially three 2nds. Then proceeds to extend him at least 5 million a year over his market value….
Wish we had a real gm. Pels life
Takes on Horfords awful contract for a first round pick. Flips him a year later for Kemba(whom a few also wanted this year) for another first. Net value +2 FRP
Griff: trades for Adam’s awful one year 30 million dollar contract for a first and essentially three 2nds. Then proceeds to extend him at least 5 million a year over his market value….
Wish we had a real gm. Pels life
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:22 pm to Townedrunkard
You forgot Bledsoe who people now claim we need to give our 2021 1st rounder to dump.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:30 pm to Townedrunkard
To be fair, the Thunder have nothing on the roster that would preclude them from using their team for nothing but a weigh station for other team's bad contracts that they can flip later. That's off the table here once we win the lottery.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:30 pm to PUB
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You forgot Bledsoe who people now claim we need to give our 2021 1st rounder to dump.
You don't need to dump Bledsoe, just overpay him to come off the bench. We can use him, just not playing 35 minutes.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:37 pm to PUB
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You forgot Bledsoe who people now claim we need to give our 2021 1st rounder to dump.
As soon as I see this comment I know who’s clueless.
Bledsoe was just return on a trade. We didn’t go out and trade FOR HIM. Now, playing him all year is another inexcusable mistake.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:55 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:To be fair, keeping Bledsoe instead of Hill compounded the error of trading for Adams. He had the leverage to have OKC take Bledsoe instead of Hill if we were taking on Adams, but he was so infatuated with Adams, he took whatever Presti told him he had to and gave OKC a 1st and 2 2nds.
As soon as I see this comment I know who’s clueless.
Bledsoe was just return on a trade. We didn’t go out and trade FOR HIM. Now, playing him all year is another inexcusable mistake.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:59 pm to NOSHAU
OKC has one "star" and that's being generous to call him that..
I doubt Presti would still be sitting in straight fire sale mode if he had a generational talent like Zion on the team
Not to mention OKC had years of playoff appearances under their belt before they started selling everything off. Griffin fell arse backward into Zion but also inherited a roster and organization that is viewed by most as inept at best
I doubt Presti would still be sitting in straight fire sale mode if he had a generational talent like Zion on the team
Not to mention OKC had years of playoff appearances under their belt before they started selling everything off. Griffin fell arse backward into Zion but also inherited a roster and organization that is viewed by most as inept at best
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:00 pm to saintsfan22
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To be fair, the Thunder have nothing on the roster that would preclude them from using their team for nothing but a weigh station for other team's bad contracts that they can flip later. That's off the table here once we win the lottery.
He is definitely getting credit for stockpiling picks and taking on bad contracts in the short term when he doesn’t care about winning, while Griffin is getting shite on for not winning now.
I firmly Believe Griffin wanted to build this team so he had max capsace and resources when Zion was getting into his second contract.
Now everyone is panicking because we are so sure Zion will opt out if we don’t win now.
I think Adam’s and Bledsoe were seen as guys who could Play decent basketball for a year or two and be expiring contracts in 2022-2023
If Zion doesn’t walk away from The max deal we will offer him we are set to have a ton of ammo when he’s hitting his peak.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:02 pm to PUB
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You forgot Bledsoe who people now claim we need to give our 2021 1st rounder to dump.
whoever is saying this is not worth listening to
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:03 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I think there is some validity to this. A slower build makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, today's NBA players (and their families) are of the "I want it now" mentality which forces management to have to build more quickly. A player picked #1 overall should have some sense of reality that it may take more than 1 or 2 seasons to build a team around him.
He is definitely getting credit for stockpiling picks and taking on bad contracts in the short term when he doesn’t care about winning, while Griffin is getting shite on for not winning now.
I firmly Believe Griffin wanted to build this team so he had max capsace and resources when Zion was getting into his second contract.
Now everyone is panicking because we are so sure Zion will opt out if we don’t win now.
I think Adam’s and Bledsoe were seen as guys who could Play decent basketball for a year or two and be expiring contracts in 2022-2023
If Zion doesn’t walk away from The max deal we will offer him we are set to have a ton of ammo when he’s hitting his peak.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:07 pm to SammyTiger
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build this team so he had max capsace and resources when Zion was getting into his second contract.
I don’t think he did.
The opportunity has to be there though, to capitalize on the picks
The Pelicans, like for years under gentry, have the talent to be good. It’s the poor fishing hires that hold the program back. Not so much lack of trading
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:22 pm to saintsfan22
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To be fair, the Thunder have nothing on the roster that would preclude them from using their team for nothing but a weigh station for other team's bad contracts that they can flip later. That's off the table here once we win the lottery.
That’s fine and dandy except they had about the same record as us until they benched Horford for the season.
Say what yiu want but Horford would’ve made a bigger impact on this team than Adam’s and they got a first for him instead of giving one up.
Same goes for CP3, he has his team in the conf finals….
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:23 pm to Lester Earl
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I don’t think he did.
Going into 2022 we have 11 first round picks between 2022 and 2027 (when) meaning we have expiring contracts and picks that aren’t in the distant future to move for big player.
We can either trade or draft or both. We will have a frick ton of cap space.
If we can sign Zion to a second visit tract we have so many building blocks.
I also Think those packers picks/swaps will be decent as a few happen when Lebron is like 39-41. And the bucks picks start hitting when Giannis is getting into his 30s. If he can’t win a championship soon he won’t be there.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:38 pm to Townedrunkard
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Say what yiu want but Horford would’ve made a bigger impact on this team than Adam’s and they got a first for him instead of giving one up
Adams still has serviceable years ahead of him in this league. He's an intelligent guy, a great teammate, and a good leader. Horford is 8 years older, was basically run out of Philly, and is declining significantly.
MAYBE we have a better year this past season, but that contract at his age caps you big time to make any real moves in the future.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:18 pm to DeionDeion
Chris Paul is how many years older than Kemba? Who would you rather have last year and next year? Some players age better than others.
Horford definitely would have opened the lane more for Zion, without a doubt. And his contract for the next two years is 40 million guaranteed compared to Adams 35 guaranteed for the next two years. So you saying his contract would hamper us, but Adams won’t?
And I’m not disagreeing with you that Adam’s is not a good teammate, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about Horford. He was an all nba center. And who would you rather Jax mold his game more into, Adams or Horford???
Horford definitely would have opened the lane more for Zion, without a doubt. And his contract for the next two years is 40 million guaranteed compared to Adams 35 guaranteed for the next two years. So you saying his contract would hamper us, but Adams won’t?
And I’m not disagreeing with you that Adam’s is not a good teammate, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about Horford. He was an all nba center. And who would you rather Jax mold his game more into, Adams or Horford???
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:24 pm to jmcwhrter
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OKC has one “star” and that’s being generous to call him that
No more generous than calling Ingram a star imo. Shai is a very good young player that has gone toe to toe with our 2 “stars” and come out on top while on a team that isn’t even trying to win.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:33 pm to Townedrunkard
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So you saying his contract would hamper us, but Adams won’t?
what I'm saying is trading away a 35 year old big vs a 28 year old big is WAY harder. Again the contract at his age is what scared Griff off and I cannot blame him.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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No more generous than calling Ingram a star imo. Shai is a very good young player that has gone toe to toe with our 2 “stars” and come out on top while on a team that isn’t even trying to win.
That's not the point. They're more likely to trade SGA so they don't have to give him a big extension than they are to feel rushed to win to appease him.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:06 pm to DeionDeion
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what I'm saying is trading away a 35 year old big vs a 28 year old big is WAY harder. Again
the contract at his age is what scared Griff off and I cannot blame him.
I agree but you leaving out the part where OKC already received a first for Horford. Even if they use a first to get rid of him, it cost nothing.
Adam’s already cost us plenty assets to acquire and will likely cost us more to get rid of…..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:14 pm to SammyTiger
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I think Adam’s and Bledsoe were seen as guys who could Play decent basketball for a year or two and be expiring contracts in 2022-2023
If Zion doesn’t walk away from The max deal we will offer him we are set to have a ton of ammo when he’s hitting his peak.
Finally! The correct look at what Pels want do.
I thought I would never see it on this board lol.
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