re: Greivis Vasquez' Elite Accomplishments

I don't understand the Vasquez double standard. We're getting all this info on how well he's playing. He's excelling.

So let's use that to trade him...? Draft his replacement?

Anderson's playing well, we could get something good for him. Trade him? Of course not.

Davis has a huge future ahead of him. Sell that to teams, and trade him...? Of course not.

I don't know why Vazquez is any different.

He's reached his ceiling IMO. Just look at the PGs in the West. He lacks the speed and athleticism to go up against them, and that's something he really can't improve that much on.

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I don't understand the Vasquez double standard.

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The problem with Vasquez is that if he is going to work out as a long term starter then it will be because we get better pieces around him. It's hard to envision that without knowing what the future pieces are, so people want trade the guy that's not adequately filling CP3's shoes. If Aminu had a shot and Gordon lived up to his potential we may not even be talking about this.

I'm in the camp that is willing to explore the market for GV but not for RA. I read these threads, but haven't been moved from that position. I'll explain my thoughts, and maybe it'll make sense. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here; I'm just trying to lay out how I arrive at my conclusion.

GV is really good at one thing measurable: passing without turning the ball over. In every other category, he does not compare well to others who get similar minutes, etc.

This makes him valuable and well-worth his tiny contract.

Anderson is very good a multiple things, and some of those skills are rarer that GV's skill. While a top passer, more players come close to GV than RA in their respective categories. I've posted extensively on the GV topic while many other post on RA's value and skill, so I think we can agree on the basic premise here, if not how easy it is to replace their skills with other players.

This ease-of-replacement, for me, factors into the decision to more readily explore the market for Vasquez than Anderson.

Then there are the contracts. GV's contract is great. Flat out. He's got 1 more year of good value, then he's a restricted free agent. At that point, we have to make a decision (maybe). The worst case of keeping him is likely having to pay him what someone else thinks he's worth (and it won't be a max). This lack of cost control is perhaps an issue for Dell, and it somewhat is for me, during that particular offseason, which is the offseason after the Hornets SHOULD be licking their wounds from a good showing in the playoffs.

Anderson, however, is on a solid deal for the next 3 season, having him make less in each of the next three than this initial season. He's a controlled asset going forward.

Anderson is also a clear starter on a title-contending team of some construction. GV is less solidly so. I'd say that including GV in the construction of said title-contending team limits the options at other positions, forcing certain skill combinations because he's not multi-talented at his position. Anderson has shown that he can adjust and grow on both sides of the floor, by contrast. Thus, if you had to pick one, you pick Anderson.

But we don't have to pick one. We can have both. This still provides constraints. So, I'm all for floating him out there if Dell can't get the pieces he needs (strong defender at SF for instance) to make GV work well on the title-contending version of this team, but he can get something to work with back.

GV's value to us is precisely his value to some other teams out there, but they may be poised to use him well going forward to the point that they are willing to send value back. Better to do that sooner than later IF that is the conclusion this offseason.

GV and Lopez are in similar boats in that regard. Their value is such that other teams may want them enough to give up value (unlike Aminu), but the Hornets can adjust far better to their loss than that of Anderson or Davis. So, they become the trade chips.

This isn't me trying to get him gone. I'm just laying out why I think he (and Lopez) are movable. Not for scraps, not for the sake of moving pieces, but pieces that, when using cap space as an amplifier, can bring back a significant net positive in many respects, talent and contract included.

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A PF has to rebound and defend on a contending team

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14th in RPG among PFs this season.

9th last season.

He's a solid rebounder....A big man that can shoot like that and not be a liability on the boards is a rare thing.

He's the best asset we have other than Davis, imo. Down 8 with a minute left....game isn't over with Anderson out there.

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He's the best asset we have other than Davis, imo

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I absolutely agree. I think he is a better player than Vasquez. The redundancy with Davis will at some point force a trade unless Davis can increase his minutes and guard 5s in crunch time.

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Because you didn't check?

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Yep

Yep

That's exactly the kind of pick I is!

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Zero upgrades available is an exaggeration.

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I said dearth. Who are the upgrades? CP3 then what?