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re: Gordon back to Clippers a possibility? (not for CP3)
Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:06 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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Try harder
No effort is needed when dealing in the truth. He was a backup combo guard on a first round contender. His own team traded their best player to replace him. He has never carried the offensive burden on a playoff team. What do you have? PER? Greivis provides more win shares.
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:52 pm to Jester
Oh, they traded their best player to get one of the best PGs the league has ever seen while Bledose was going into his 2nd year 
He's 23. He's been in the league 3 years, 2 of which he was behind Chris Paul and 1 behind Baron Davis/Mo Williams.
What is their to have on a guy who has been a backup for 3 years besides the glimpses he has shown when given the chance. What if no one gave Vasquez a chance to start? We would never have known he is the best PG in the league.
What would you like to compare to GV? Their years as a backup? GV came into the league at 24 and Bledsoe is 23 now. We can compare the two players once Bledsoe completes his age 24 year next season. Or wait 3 years and compare their age 26 season since GV just completed his.
Or we can rehash all the great PGs Bledsoe shut down during his run as a starter this year and compare it to GV against the same players
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He has never carried the offensive burden on a playoff team.
He's 23. He's been in the league 3 years, 2 of which he was behind Chris Paul and 1 behind Baron Davis/Mo Williams. quote:
What do you have? PER? Greivis provides more win shares.
What is their to have on a guy who has been a backup for 3 years besides the glimpses he has shown when given the chance. What if no one gave Vasquez a chance to start? We would never have known he is the best PG in the league.
What would you like to compare to GV? Their years as a backup? GV came into the league at 24 and Bledsoe is 23 now. We can compare the two players once Bledsoe completes his age 24 year next season. Or wait 3 years and compare their age 26 season since GV just completed his.
Or we can rehash all the great PGs Bledsoe shut down during his run as a starter this year and compare it to GV against the same players
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:33 pm to GynoSandberg
GV sucks at pg. Last season we were last in steals and 26th is assists. What does he do well? Idk? Rebound? He can't penetrate and gets guarded effectively by opposing centers. What edge does that give us? He can be shut down by any team. Set the franchise record for turnovers in a season even if he had decent assist numbers. Overall, he orchestrated our offense poorly and ccouldn't play effective perimeter defense. He limits our gameplans and frankly almost anyone who holds the ball as long as he does can get assists, look at brian Robert's games where he played a lot of minutes. 
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:02 am to MrBlue105
If you're going to bash GV, don't bring up statistics. He had more assists than any player in the league and was 3rd in assist/game. He lacks athleticism and defense. He doesn't suck and isn't a bad offensive player. He was also top 10 in assist/TO ratio
This post was edited on 5/14/13 at 12:04 am
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:14 am to Cap Crunch
This wasn't even supposed to be about GV. He was an adequate PG this season.
But he played 35 minutes a game. He is going to rack up assists. He was 7th in the league in turnovers, too.
Our man Brian Roberts posted 10 APG in his 5 starts. Does that make him good? I dont know... He averaged 41 minutes a game. He also had the 6th best AST/TO ratio in the entire NBA.
But hey, if we are looking at PGs, look right at APG to judge their game amirite?
But he played 35 minutes a game. He is going to rack up assists. He was 7th in the league in turnovers, too.
Our man Brian Roberts posted 10 APG in his 5 starts. Does that make him good? I dont know... He averaged 41 minutes a game. He also had the 6th best AST/TO ratio in the entire NBA.
But hey, if we are looking at PGs, look right at APG to judge their game amirite?
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:16 am to Cap Crunch
Wonder how many of those assists came from hitting ryno or ad or smith for a spot up shot or running out of time and throwing it to someone. This team is easy to assist and idc about his inflated single positive statistic. Top 10 in ast/to ratio doesn't matter to me when ast is all he can do. Ast is a pg job. If he was top 1 than maybe I would overlook some of his deficiencies.
Regardless, the job of a pg is to analyze your offense and set it into motion. I'd rather have a pg with a below average ast/to ratio who can score, penetrate, defend, and cause trouble for opposing teams. Opposing teams will give gv shots, he's not a threat.
Regardless, the job of a pg is to analyze your offense and set it into motion. I'd rather have a pg with a below average ast/to ratio who can score, penetrate, defend, and cause trouble for opposing teams. Opposing teams will give gv shots, he's not a threat.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:26 am to GynoSandberg
I was assuming that stat was for starting pgs, but now it is even more ridiculous. 
brian euroleague Roberts pg of the future lol
brian euroleague Roberts pg of the future lolPosted on 5/14/13 at 12:27 am to GynoSandberg
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Our man Brian Roberts posted 10 APG in his 5 starts.
He did have 18 in one of those games, so that does to help sway his average a bit.
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But hey, if we are looking at PGs, look right at APG to judge their game amirite?
Well of course not. I was just saying that if you want to bash GV, don't bring up assists
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:30 am to MrBlue105
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Wonder how many of those assists came from hitting ryno or ad or smith for a spot up shot or running out of time and throwing it to someone. This team is easy to assist and idc about his inflated single positive statistic
Yeah, he had so much talent around him on this team to get easy assists
He has his flaws but he isn't a bad player. He's better suited to either be a back up somewhere or be a PG surrounded by a lot of talent, but he's not doing either of those here. He is replaceable and Bledsoe is a better player. But that doesn't mean that he sucks
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:39 am to Cap Crunch
Being a pg on this team is much more conducive to assist getting than being on on NY or mia or la or shite any team that actually passes well or has iso players. That is, more talent would breed less assists with less usage for gv. My point is that assists can be accounted for. I don't see anything he brings to the team and I don't wanna see him as starting pg ever again.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:56 am to GynoSandberg
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Brian Roberts
if the FO/Monty saw him as the guy going forward, do you think they'd have given him more minutes throughout the season? seems like they limited him a good bit. obviously GV had an amazing season and is part of the reason for that.
basically I ask because I wonder if Burke will be the guy they go after in the 5 slot if he hasn't been drafted yet
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:56 am to Cap Crunch
I know what you mean and I agree. GV was good.
Saying Bledsoe can't be a stud because he has sat behind CP3 for 2 years is just a silly assumption.
Man, good thing some coach/GM gave young bench guys like Nash, Kobe, Harden, Lawson, Holiday, Paul George, Rondo, Deron, Kemba, Conley etc etc etc a shot to start. Lord knows those 21 year old guys showed no promise while coming off the bench at one point in their career! Giving highly thought of, former 1st round picks a shot to start could actually turn out well? Who knew
Saying Bledsoe can't be a stud because he has sat behind CP3 for 2 years is just a silly assumption.
Man, good thing some coach/GM gave young bench guys like Nash, Kobe, Harden, Lawson, Holiday, Paul George, Rondo, Deron, Kemba, Conley etc etc etc a shot to start. Lord knows those 21 year old guys showed no promise while coming off the bench at one point in their career! Giving highly thought of, former 1st round picks a shot to start could actually turn out well? Who knew
Posted on 5/14/13 at 1:06 am to quail man
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if the FO/Monty saw him as the guy going forward, do you think they'd have given him more minutes throughout the season? seems like they limited him a good bit. obviously GV had an amazing season and is part of the reason for that.
I think they know Roberts isn't the answer, just like the rest of us. Unless, of course, you want to look at his 10 APG as a starter, which looks awesome. But he played 42 MPG. He racked up assists just like every other PG who plays major minutes.
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basically I ask because I wonder if Burke will be the guy they go after in the 5 slot if he hasn't been drafted yet
I dont think we know until the minute we pick. Depends on who is off the board. But I think they may run with Rivers at the point w GV and add pieces elsewhere.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 1:13 am to GynoSandberg
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I dont think we know until the minute we pick. Depends on who is off the board. But I think they may run with Rivers at the point w GV and add pieces elsewhere.
This is the ideal scenario unless they absolutely fall in love with Burke. I know people love Burke, but we also can't forget Rivers is supposedly being groomed for the position.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 1:17 am to supe12sta12z
Agreed. Burke is a junior I think and still lacking in explosiveness. I wouldn't mind watching rivers develop.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 1:21 am to supe12sta12z
Orlando is high on Burke. If we end up ahead of them maybe they will try and trade up with us and give us a Moe Harkless or Tobias Harris in some sort of deal? Could get interesting
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:30 am to GynoSandberg
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Saying Bledsoe can't be a stud because he has sat behind CP3 for 2 years is just a silly assumption.
Good thing you were able to ignore everything else I said and got stuck on that point.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:32 am to Jester
Gyno has McNamaraesque love for Bledsoe. I don't get it.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 7:34 am to Jester
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I don't get it.
The thing about Bledsoe is he's really good everywhere Vasquez is really bad, so it's pretty easy to look at him and project him as the solution to our problems because we honestly won't see how bad Bledsoe's flaws are until he gets more time running a team. In the aforementioned podcast the Clippers blogger talked about how Bledsoe really hasn't had the opportunity to run a team full time because even when he was starting he was playing off ball half the time. The Clippers blogger in fact felt that at the present time Bledsoe is more suited to play SG than PG, but he did feel that would work out ok with Gordon.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 7:50 am to TigerinATL
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The thing about Bledsoe is he's really good everywhere Vasquez is really bad
I get that, but you'd be paying to trade flaws
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Bledsoe really hasn't had the opportunity to run a team full time because even when he was starting he was playing off ball half the time
If he were a legit, put you over the top PG, he would be playing a lot more PG than SG. I've been corrected by Gyno that he and Paul don't see the court much together, so why wouldn't he be playing PG? Is Jamal Crawford a better PG?
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