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re: Fire Monty It's time
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:56 am to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:56 am to TotesMcGotes
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Losing by 4 isn't competitive?
After the way we looked and played in the first half, to come out in the third quarter and just not show up at all, no we weren't competitive. That was a game we had no business losing, even without our 3 best players. You can't tell me you watched that game and after we lost said "i figured we'd lose anyway" after seeing how we came out in the first half.
Gogurt is no better than Ajinca. Asik should be able to hold his own against Favors and Kanter, which he did not. Not like all 3 were on the court at the same time.
Ryno isnt' some world beater defensive player. We still had our defensive center, and a long arse Ajinca, and an agressive Withy, yet we gave up 46 points to their bigs and 15 offensive rebounds.
And for the 4th fricking time, i did not expect to beat the Pacers, hell we don't match up well with them when fully healthy, considering we lost to them when fully healthy. But i don't expect to be down 30 to them either. We looked like we didn't want to play that game from the beginning.
I just expect more from a team i was hoping was challenging for a playoff spot. We obviously aren't ready to make the playoffs yet. If you can't play inspired ball when your leaders are out, what does that say about your dedication to the team? The mindset should have been, alright we are outnumbered here, but lets go out and pull one out for AD and let him know we have his back. And it looked like that in the first half of Utah, but since then, we look as if we want to win the lottery, not make the playoffs.
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:58 am to brmark70816
nvm misread
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Gogurt is no better than Ajinca.
You should really do some research before spouting nonsense. Ajinca fouls almost twice (7 fouls per 36min!) as often as Gobert, is less efficient shooting the ball (while using more possessions), blocks half as many shots, and gets half as many steals (all per 36). They both rebound at about identical rates. Also, the Jazz allow an insane -8.2 points less (per 48min) on defense with Gobert in the game than without him. The Pelicans allow -1.0 points per 48 with Ajinca on. Overall the Jazz are +1.1 points with Gobert on the floor while the Pels are -5.3 with Ajinca on. Oh and Gobert is 22 years old and in his first season getting real minutes.
I'd trade anyone but AD and Jrue for Gobert right now (obviously not realistic, he isn't going anywhere).
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Not like all 3 were on the court at the same time.
That's kind of the point. They had at least one of those guys out there at all times, while Monty can counter with guys like Withey, Babbitt, and Ajinca.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We still had our defensive center, and a long arse Ajinca, and an agressive Withy, yet we gave up 46 points to their bigs and 15 offensive rebounds.
The fact that that is the only way to positively describe both of those players says everything. There's a reason neither gets PT when we are healthy.
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just expect more from a team i was hoping was challenging for a playoff spot. We obviously aren't ready to make the playoffs yet.
1.5 out of the 8th spot and we played like 6 games with our top 6 healthy. everyone should come back healthy and be primed for a run at the playoffs. Lets see what they do after the all-star breaker before we all jump off the ledge.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:33 pm to LSUpelsSaints
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there's only 5 players on a basketball court...... take out 3 of your top 5 including arguably the best player in the world, you are going to be fricked...... if you went into either of these last 2 games thinking otherwise, you are either an idiot or completely delusional
Injuries happen all the time and when you are in your 5th year, you can't use them as an excuse. I said last week that the win streak and beating the Hawks had earned him a stay of execution IMO, but losing to the Jazz put him back in front of the friring sqaud.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:34 pm to whoknows1390
OKC will run away with the 8 seed. Pels won't and can't stay healthy
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:41 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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OKC will run away with the 8 seed. Pels won't and can't stay healthy
OKC has had their own health issues as well. I'm not saying we will get the 8th spot but to say its over with or we have no shot is inaccurate. We are still in the thick of it. If the pels team that won 6/7 against playoff team shows up we have a shot. remains to be seen if that was a mirage or real progression.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:45 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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OKC will run away with the 8 seed. Pels won't and can't stay healthy
I updated the Jrue thread, on Monty's radio show he said he's hoping to get him back over the All Star break. If we're not back in the thick of the race by March Madness then it would be time to fire Monty...assuming they haven't already lined up the replacements
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:47 pm to TigerinATL
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assuming they haven't already lined up the replacements
No doubt in my mind they have not.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:50 pm to LSUhornet17
I dont care about there per36 crap. Gobert isn't sitting games, he s part of the rotation. Ajinca gets some minutes and scores 20+, then doesn't play the next two games.
It's beyond me why he doesn't get more minutes. We try playing only 3 guys between center and pf.
Ajinca has shown flashes and given a good reason to get more playing time yet he doesn't.
no he doesn't have the potential gobert does, but at this point he can hold his own against him.
If you watched the last two games, Babbitt did a surprisingly decent job in filling the Ryno role. You have to actually watch the games to notice this, not just look at Hollingers stats.
It's beyond me why he doesn't get more minutes. We try playing only 3 guys between center and pf.
Ajinca has shown flashes and given a good reason to get more playing time yet he doesn't.
no he doesn't have the potential gobert does, but at this point he can hold his own against him.
If you watched the last two games, Babbitt did a surprisingly decent job in filling the Ryno role. You have to actually watch the games to notice this, not just look at Hollingers stats.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Ajinca has shown flashes and given a good reason to get more playing time yet he doesn't.
Ajinca is decent in spurts as a change of pace guy who has a decent J but that is it.
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Babbitt did a surprisingly decent job in filling the Ryno role.
I won't argue with this. When Ryno is playing like arse it would be nice to see Luke get a crack it for a couple of minutes.
but once again, both of very limited role players. Dont need more than 5-10 mpg. Ajinca cant play more than 5 minutes at a time because he can't stay out of foul trouble.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
Oh and forgot this....
OK chuck
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I dont care about there per36 crap.
OK chuck
Posted on 2/12/15 at 1:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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It's beyond me why he doesn't get more minutes.
Because Monty has the same foul rules even for bench players and he also has a much higher opinion of Asik than you do. Ajinca isthe 4th big in the rotation, and when everyone is healthy there aren't many minutes for him.
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If you watched the last two games, Babbitt did a surprisingly decent job in filling the Ryno role.
Babbit was effective moving to the basket when they challenged his 3. He was completely ineffective trying the same moves when he got all those minutes as a starter. It would be a very useful addition to his game if he's figured out how to score moving towards the basket (something he was pretty good at in college from what I remember doing draft research).
Posted on 2/12/15 at 1:30 pm to TigerinATL
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Ajinca isthe 4th big in the rotation, and when everyone is healthy there aren't many minutes for him.
You can't expect to go through a season playing only 3 bigs between two positions. The guy is a legit scoring option off the bench. He's shown promise this year. I don't expect him to score 10-13 every night. But he's proven he can put up points every now and then, which is what a good bench player does, and why he's a bench plaayer and not a starter.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 2:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I dont care about there per36 crap
Oh you mean an easy way to compare two guys who don't receive the same amount of minutes? Also, google "there" and "their," please.
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It's beyond me why he doesn't get more minutes.
Could be because of one of those "crap" per 36 stats. Mainly the one about him fouling 7 times per 36min. Can't stay on the floor if you are constantly hacking the other team. That doesn't tend to equal good basketball. It could also be that the team has been worse on both ends with him on the floor through the course of the season, even including the two games in which he scored well.
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You have to actually watch the games to notice this
Only game I've missed all year was last night, but keep schooling me, please.
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not just look at Hollingers stats.
Not that I can expect someone who can't grasp basic grammar to understand this, but none of the stats I used were developed by Hollinger. They are simple counting stats averaged out over 36min. Per game stats are useless, especially when comparing guys who play different minutes. The on/off court stuff is also pretty basic and has been around for quite awhile.
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If you watched the last two games, Babbitt did a surprisingly decent job in filling the Ryno role.
Babbitt looked good this week, but the team has been much, much worse with him on the court despite the fact that he has logged over 2/3 of his minutes with the starters. While I agree he's better at PF than SF, I'm going to go with the nearly 500min he's played so far this year instead of the roughly 50min this week.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:29 pm to LSUhornet17
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Oh you mean an easy way to compare two guys who don't receive the same amount of minutes? Also, google "there" and "their," please.
first off, shut the frick up about the grammar. It's a fricking message board, not an english report.
secondly, what's easy about the comparison?
I guess Bismack Biyambo, Jusuf Nurkic, Ajinca, Gobert and Kaman should all be starting considering they are in the top 10 in this stupid rebounding rate stat.
Those guys are backups, although Gobert and Kaman plays a lot more minutes than the other 3. they play against backups. It's one thing to come in for 3-4 minutes before and after the first and third quarter and hustle your arse off against a backup and rebound well. It's another to compare what that guy does compared to what a starter has to deal with, especially in the west, especially in our division. You hand picked stats that made Gobert look a little better. They pretty much have the same stats that matter, scoring and rebounding.
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Could be because of one of those "crap" per 36 stats. Mainly the one about him fouling 7 times per 36min.
Or b/c our coach isn't good. so Ajinca averages 12 minutes a game, i don't see where his fouling is any issue at all. Are we asking him to play 30 minutes a night?
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Can't stay on the floor if you are constantly hacking the other team.
his cool per36 rate says he's not fouling out if he played that much. And who gives a shite if he does foul out. If he plays and fouls his guy 3 times, i'd bet most of the time that guy shoots under 75%, sometimes much worse, from the free throw line. Who cares? I could care less about this foul issue. There isn't a starting center in the league that is in the top 30 of that foul rate stat. it's why they are backups, and why that stat and excuse is stupid.
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It could also be that the team has been worse on both ends with him on the floor through the course of the season, even including the two games in which he scored well
It could also be b/c we have a terrible bench with no scorers. I guess Ryan Anderson shouldn't play either since he's got a negative +/-. Our bench has a collective -3.2. The only playoff teams lower are Cavs, Clips and Rockets.
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Not that I can expect someone who can't grasp basic grammar to understand this, but none of the stats I used were developed by Hollinger. They are simple counting stats averaged out over 36min. Per game stats are useless, especially when comparing guys who play different minutes. The on/off court stuff is also pretty basic and has been around for quite awhile.
Calling them Hollinger stats was my way of saying i don't give a shite about them. Stats are stats, they don't make one player better than the other just b/c their stats are better.
Just looking at these basic stats, explain to me how Asik is better than Ajinca?
PER36
Scoring - Ajinca twice as good
rebounding - same pretty much
blocks - Ajinca
OffRating - Ajinca
DefRating - pretty much the same
Should Ajinca start over Asik?
Enough of this bickering. Bottom line, there was no reason why we couldn't be the Jazz. Had we come out to start the game shitty, we wouldn't be having this argument.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Stats are stats, they don't make one player better than the other just b/c their stats are better.
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just b/c their stats are better
Well at least you used the right word.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:00 pm to LSUhornet17
nice reply. fixating on grammar. your an idiot.
figured since you only want to talk about grammar, i'll give you some more ammo.
answer my question on Asik and Ajinca and there stats, since stats are so important.
figured since you only want to talk about grammar, i'll give you some more ammo.
answer my question on Asik and Ajinca and there stats, since stats are so important.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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nice reply. fixating on grammar. your an idiot.
"your" Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:05 pm to LSUhornet17
You missed my misuse of "there" dumbass.
Or you going too grow up and respond with something basketball related or dew you want too take this too the grammar bored?
Or you going too grow up and respond with something basketball related or dew you want too take this too the grammar bored?
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