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Considering the "human element" in a trade
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:05 am
No one wants to relive that bullshite again.
You have to know that some players are going to resent being sent to a small market from a large one. Some players have already said that they would rather be talked bad about in LA than "be irrelevant" in a small market. Some players aren't going to want to play with a rookie that is getting all of the attention.
Again, this is just a thought process on what "the best trade" might actually look like. It may not necessarily be the best pieces in a vacuum, but the best pieces for us, that are willing to work, that will embrace playing or living here, that will work with Zion.
Just a thought, with a lesson from our past, on what we need in a trade.
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:07 am to Fun Bunch
Man the franchise is in such a better place than then
That was rough
That was rough
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:26 am to Fun Bunch
If media reports are to be believed, I don’t think Tatum would mind coming here although Crewz thinks maybe that mindset has changed due to Zion. Smart is blue collar and he went to college in the south. I don’t think he’d mind either. Jaylen Brown is a bit of a different cat, west coast guy, but I don’t think he’s going to be pouty like an EG.
If we trade with the Lakers, I think that Post Trade Press Conference Photo Op will probably rival the one we had with the Cp3 Trade. None of those guys want to be here and I think that’s just one of many reasons why I would not consider a trade with the Lakers.
If we trade with the Lakers, I think that Post Trade Press Conference Photo Op will probably rival the one we had with the Cp3 Trade. None of those guys want to be here and I think that’s just one of many reasons why I would not consider a trade with the Lakers.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:29 am to TeachMeHowTaDante
Right. Some of the Lakers guys aren't even hiding it at all, like Kuzma and Ball.
They do not want to be here and I think would bolt at the first opportunity. That's the kind of thing that a GM has to consider, and obviously they would have more information at their disposal regarding players.
But when players make public comments about it, or have their close family do so, it doesn't take an insider to figure out: Maybe don't trade for this guy.
They do not want to be here and I think would bolt at the first opportunity. That's the kind of thing that a GM has to consider, and obviously they would have more information at their disposal regarding players.
But when players make public comments about it, or have their close family do so, it doesn't take an insider to figure out: Maybe don't trade for this guy.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:29 am to LosLobos111
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Man the franchise is in such a better place than then
Agreed. I think a lot of players would be interested in playing with Zion. This team, even without AD is in a much better place than that team (Zion and Jrue).
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
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Right. Some of the Lakers guys aren't even hiding it at all, like Kuzma and Ball.
I think they were just young immature players who got their feelings hurt because A. LeBron didn't want to play with them, and B. they realized that they would be traded from a team that they thought would be "good" to a team they thought would be "bad".
The Pels organization is in a different position now, with the new leadership and having Zion.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
its a good point and is certainly going to be part of griffin's decision. one also relevant point is, particular to boston, those guys have all tasted big stage success, where the clippers players in the paul trade hadnt won shite.
contracts matter too...lemonhead had one year left (just like brown) and got a max offer sheet (just like brown will)
contracts matter too...lemonhead had one year left (just like brown) and got a max offer sheet (just like brown will)
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:41 am to Epic Cajun
Kuzma is a guy that I have heard is just in love with the glitz and glamour, and is really really into fashion. I just don't see that dude wanting to be here at all.
And Ball has made it abundantly clear, and even if he hadn't, I want nothing to do with his dad.
And Ball has made it abundantly clear, and even if he hadn't, I want nothing to do with his dad.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:41 am to cgrand
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lemonhead had one year left (just like brown) and got a max offer sheet (just like brown will)
which is partially why I would be interested to see if a 3rd team got involved, what could we get for Brown?
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
I wish AD wouldn’t be a pussy. A team with Jrue, Zion and AD could make some noise. We aren’t going to get half the value by trading him. Unfortunately, it has to be done.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:42 am to Epic Cajun
I think Kuz and Ball love living in Los Angeles so much to that they don’t actually care if they play for a competitive franchise or not.
Ingram is a bit of a wildcard. I have a feeling he wouldn’t mind a trade to New Orleans. He just seems like a guy that likes to ball. I’d feel better about him if he didn’t have that clot issue. He has a little bit of Kevin Durant in his game, but not sure I’m willing to roll the dice on his medical issue.
In my eyes a Lakers Trade would be #4, Ingram and whatever assets you could flip Kuzma and Ball for, because I don’t see either wanting to play here. Which is perfect, because I think their fit is questionable anyway.
Ingram is a bit of a wildcard. I have a feeling he wouldn’t mind a trade to New Orleans. He just seems like a guy that likes to ball. I’d feel better about him if he didn’t have that clot issue. He has a little bit of Kevin Durant in his game, but not sure I’m willing to roll the dice on his medical issue.
In my eyes a Lakers Trade would be #4, Ingram and whatever assets you could flip Kuzma and Ball for, because I don’t see either wanting to play here. Which is perfect, because I think their fit is questionable anyway.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
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Again, this is just a thought process on what "the best trade" might actually look like. It may not necessarily be the best pieces in a vacuum, but the best pieces for us, that are willing to work, that will embrace playing or living here, that will work with Zion.
If character and buy-in are a primary criteria with talent, it's basically Jayson Tatum, SGA, and everyone else.
Tatum in particular already basically let it be known amidst the AD fiasco(that had speculation to Boston in the mix) that he(Tatum) wouldn't mind going to a smaller market in exchange for a more central role. He takes pride and priority in that over just being content in a glamour market. Which is what the franchise needs. Especially in building a culture around Zion.
He would immediately have the ability to be the top scorer here, at least until Zion develops, but if Tatum lives up to his own expectations he will be all-star esque, with two selfless running mates, so I doubt he will have a problem getting his. And the franchise will be able to be competitive for nearly a decade.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:43 am to Fun Bunch
i think knowing that, i'd rather just get something else from BOS instead of brown. but i trust the FO now to figure it out
we can agree 100% though we dont need to be paying jaylen brown 100MM
we can agree 100% though we dont need to be paying jaylen brown 100MM
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:44 am to cgrand
the funny thing is...right now, on his deal & healthy, lemonhead would be perfect for this team
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:46 am to Fun Bunch
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That's the kind of thing that a GM has to consider, and obviously they would have more information at their disposal regarding players.
Could Griffin meet with the proposed players (with their teams blessing or is this violating league rules.
Lets face it teams that are going to be seriously in the hunt for AD will likely have most if not all pieces on the table for trade. If a player not named Lebron James or James Harden are surprised that their names are in the trade discussions they shouldn't be.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:51 am to Fun Bunch
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which is partially why I would be interested to see if a 3rd team got involved, what could we get for Brown?
Brown does not seem like a guy that is concerned with glitz/glamor. From all acocounts, he is a brilliant young man that is more interested in politics than celebrities.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:52 am to cgrand
That’s why I’d rather the draft picks with a few good role players.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:52 am to cgrand
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the funny thing is...right now, on his deal & healthy, lemonhead would be perfect for this team
We consistently seem to have gone after or let go of guys at the wrong arc of their careers: Peterson, Posey, Gordon, Evans, Ariza, Aminu, Collison.
Which I put on the front offices at the time.
Gotta hope third time is the charm in terms of accurately scouting and managing talent, recognizing who fits your time schedules, and who has the right demeanor for your roster.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:52 am to cgrand
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i think knowing that, i'd rather just get something else from BOS instead of brown.
3rd and 4th teams can get involved, and I actually expect this to be a multi-team deal.
A team might send something back for Brown that we covet more.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 11:03 am to Fun Bunch
One of Indy's bigs has been tossed around by pels twitter for brown and they get the clippers pick or something
Pels could maybe get sabonis(or MAYBE Turner)/Aaron holiday(they listened to offers for him at the deadline
Pels could maybe get sabonis(or MAYBE Turner)/Aaron holiday(they listened to offers for him at the deadline
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