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re: CJ is fine coming off the bench. Says it’s about winning
Posted on 10/5/24 at 4:33 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 10/5/24 at 4:33 pm to Soggymoss
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Man, if y’all can’t see that the best thing for CJ and the team is for him to come off the bench then y’all need to go back to basketball school.
I don't think you understand.
In a perfect world in everyone's head CJ would come off the bench, BI is traded for a center and Trey/ Herb fully embrace the starter roles.
I agree the "best thing" is for CJ to come off the bench. But i also know you can't ask him to do that and if we are going to do that then just trade him and spread the 30mil.
If y'all want Trey to overtake CJ as the starter already then Trey is the 30mil starter and CJ is traded for vet min backup and a center.
Y'all sure as hell want to pick and choose when to rip the bandaid off.
This isn't about what lineup you want to see opening night, its about future sustainability.
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 6:52 pm to Dantheman504
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If y'all want Trey to overtake CJ as the starter
See this is the problem with yall logic.
It’s not Trey taking over as starter for CJ, Dejounte is the one that will be starting in CJ’s spot.
If Trey were to take over as starter for anyone it would be BI.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:12 am to Soggymoss
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See this is the problem with yall logic.
Your lineups would be:
Murray/ CJ/ Herb
Or
Murray/ Herb/ Trey
If BI is still on the team then the option is really CJ/ Herb and Trey isn't in the discussion.
The only way CJ comes off the bench is if its to start Herb until BI is traded and it would be a guaranteed "when he's gone you are back" type deal. It would have nothing to do with Trey.
IF Trey shows out then the next conversation would be to trade CJ for cap space and sustain our actual (6) core players of Zion/Herb/Trey/Murray/Jose/Center
This doesn't include Hawkins. The truth is that we have absolutely no clue what could happen and will happen between CJ/BI/Hawk/Trey.
The confidence fans have in Trey to start is on par with the confidence fans have for BI/ CJ to be maximized with a real PG. Theres no winning argument until they start playing.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 1:21 am
Posted on 10/9/24 at 8:12 am to Soggymoss
Man, if y’all can’t see that the best thing for CJ and the team is for him to come off the bench then y’all need to go back to basketball school.
That makes sense to me.
That makes sense to me.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 8:39 am to jonjonsmith
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Man, if y’all can’t see that the best thing for CJ and the team is for him to come off the bench then y’all need to go back to basketball school.
CJ coming off the bench at 30mil is not the best thing and does not make sense.
If you think benching a 30mil player with a year left on his contract is the "best thing for both CJ and Pels future then i'm not sure what to say.
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 10/9/24 at 9:27 am to jonjonsmith
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Man, if y’all can’t see that the best thing for CJ and the team is for him to come off the bench then y’all need to go back to basketball school.
That makes sense to me.
It absolutely makes sense if you just look at it from the perspective only thinking about winning a basketball game.
When you factor in all the off court basketball factors, it's not something that is going to go over well.
Herb is probably the easiest one to not piss off by not starting him, even though it's silly to not start the best perimeter defender in the league who shot 42% from 3 last year.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 10:08 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:You're obviously not wrong, but just the idea of making this decision on feelings is just wild. If the front office and Willie are factoring that in, then that tells you all you need to know about the leadership of this team.
Herb is probably the easiest one to not piss off by not starting him
Sadly, I'm pretty confident that is one of, if not, the main factors they'll use to make that decision.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 10:26 am to shel311
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You're obviously not wrong, but just the idea of making this decision on feelings is just wild.
I agree. The only other option would be to tell CJ he is benched until we trade BI. But I still think he'd have an issue with that. Mainly because I don't believe it.... At that point it would be to see if BI buys in and then flip CJ instead.
If trade talks are quiet to start the season I'm going to keep believing we have until December 15th to decide between BI/ CJ for Claxton
That would give us 15 games to see who meshes better with Murray and the rest of the guys. With Trey out it actually puts a bigger spotlight on the 2 aswell.
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:12 pm to Dantheman504
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CJ coming off the bench at 30mil is not the best thing and does not make sense
You're doing Pels' math. $30M value operating as a third option is not oppressive. Expecting a $30M value to operate as a first or second option is a dicey proposition. CJ's value to the team is scoring consistency. Does the team need scoring consistency more in the starting lineup or the second line?
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:29 pm to Pistol44
They need consistent shooting in the starting line up. He's the only guy they can start right now that can provide that.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 2:13 pm to Pistol44
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$30M value operating as a third option is not oppressive.
The issue with this statement is that CJ would no longer be the 3rd option would he? He would be the 6th option. I don't think there are any $30mil 6th options on any team.
On top of that you possibly decrease his trade value.
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CJ's value to the team is scoring consistency. Does the team need scoring consistency more in the starting lineup or the second line?
Well then what is the point of Trey? We need all 4 of Jose/ Hawk/ Trey/ CJ to come off the bench? Sounds rough on defense.
At this point you are just putting a 30mil player on the bench for Herb/ Trey simply just to piss CJ off. Which if we do that then the writing is on the wall and he is gone IMO.
This post was edited on 10/9/24 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/9/24 at 2:54 pm to Dantheman504
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The issue with this statement is that CJ would no longer be the 3rd option would he?
More I'd not want CJ as the first or second option with the starters but would want him as the first option with the second line. The bulk of his shots come in that lineup. This team has shown time and again that they'll let a player walk in lieu of an overpay so maximizing trade value hasn't been Griff's strategy aside from the AD deal. Per TM3, if he plays defense and rebounds he'll start. A healthy starting unit of DJ, Herb, TM3, BI, and Zion with a second line of CJ, Jose, Hawk, Green, and one of the bigs is a problem.
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