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re: check in if you hate the trade

Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:10 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
19967 posts
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:10 pm to
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This memo will confirm that you will have any and all resources necessary for any free agent acquisitions or other personnel moves required to place this franchise in contention as quickly as realistically possible.


Here's what I really think the trade was about: Benson didn't rebrand the team just for it to suck for another year. He's ready to start winning and building a winning tradition with the "new" team, and this trade gives us a good chance to be a playoff team this year, without sacrificing a whole lot in the long term.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
65748 posts
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:11 pm to
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Benson didn't rebrand the team just for it to suck for another year. He's ready to start winning and building a winning tradition with the "new" team, and this trade gives us a good chance to be a playoff team this year, without sacrificing a whole lot in the long term.


Pretty much. However, I can guarantee you he didn't state it as eloquently.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124026 posts
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:13 pm to
We woikin ta win
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27692 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 12:29 am to
This thread. Wow.

If the Pelicans are asking Jrue to come in and be the number-1 scoring option for the team then its a bad move.

If they are asking him to come in to guard the Westbrook's, Lillard's, Parker's, etc. of the West and be the second option in the backcourt then it's a good move.

He's not going to be asked to carry the team throughout the entire season like he was in Philly.


This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 12:43 am
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 2:52 am to
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Congrats on giving up your young all star OKC...you too Philly.


James Harden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jrue Holliday.

It's not even close.

And it's way, way too early to be saying OKC's end of the deal is garbage.
Posted by jfran23
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
1340 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:23 am to
Here
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27692 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 9:02 am to
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And it's way, way too early to be saying OKC's end of the deal is garbage.


It's garbage
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285114 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 9:06 am to
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We see the stats, but tell us things that the numbers don’t tell us about Jrue Holiday, the player

He’s one of the best handfuls of defensive guards in basketball, which an area of the game that the stats are still mostly mute on. (This is one of the reasons why he’s, probably, a bit underrated by measures like PER and Win Shares. Granted, the way he grades out in those systems is a little troubling.) He’s got great footwork, quick hands, is stronger than he looks, and on many nights, can guard three positions.
He’s also a tremendously personable and likable guy. He’s bright, engaging and engaged, and a great interview. By both fans and media, he’s beloved in Philadelphia. We were all really rooting for the kid, and while the conventional wisdom in the Tri-State area is that the trade was a win for the 76ers, he’ll be missed.

How about Holiday’s intangibles? Is he a leader and/or a a high character guy? What about his effort and motor?

In addition to the effusive praise above, Jrue really–even among cocksure NBA athletes–is possessed of unusual self-confidence. When Ben McLemore was being dissected in the run-up to this year’s draft, a talking point I heard again and again was that he’s easily discouraged; if he misses the first two shots of a half, I think Chad Ford said, he’ll shut down and disappear. That is not what Jrue Holiday does. I remember last spring being at Game 4 of the Bulls-Sixers series, and Holiday started off dreadfully from the floor. He was missing every which way–something like a 1-for-12 start on what was, up to that point at least, the biggest game of his career. But he just kept working for good looks and eventually found them. He finished with a 20/8/6 line and the Sixers went up 3-1 in a series they went on to win. He was 22-years-old.

It is hard not to notice the dramatic dip in Holiday’s numbers late in the season. How much of this had to do with the Doug Collins situation and can you go into exactly what happened with the Sixers late in the season for all our readers?

2012-13 was an unmitigated disaster for the Sixers. A Murphy’s Law season. The team acquired Bynum, expectations rose accordingly, and when he was unable to play, the whole thing collapsed–laying bare the problems with the Sixers organization a little bit of winning and optimism had obscured. These being: the aversion to analytics, the wrongheaded shot selection/offensive system (midrange jump shots!), goofy roster moves (signing Kwame Brown, Nick Young, etc.), and, of course, Doug Collins. All of these things are heavily interrelated.
So things are going bad, and a lot of folks in the media, and in the stands, start calling for the team to tank. Doug Collins refuses to tank on account of “pride” or “love for the city of Philadelphia” or something, says as much, then proceeds to lean even harder on the team–a team he already leaned quite hard on to begin with; dude’s overbearing–as though he were trying to prove a point. Collins tightens the rotation, starts barking on the sidelines like every night’s Game 7 of the Finals, etc.
So this is the backdrop. How, precisely, did this affect Jrue Holiday? I’m not sure. His numbers did drop precipitously (he posted a 12.7/4.2/3.3 line in April on 33.8% shooting), but it’s not clear how much of the blame belongs to Collins. Jrue’s playing time was stable from month to month, and actually dropped to 30.8 a night in the season’s final month, but he did–for the first time in his career–have an almost cartoonish amount of responsibility on both sides of the floor. He WAS the Sixers in 12-13. He’s only 23, but it’s possible this just wore him out. That he buckled a little under the weight of Doug Collins and all the other stuff.



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Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 12:21 pm to
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It's garbage



There's still a lot of faith in Lamb's abilities. I've read that people still think he's a better prospect than McLemore. Of course, the question with him has always been effort level.

KMart was quietly good for them this year. THough he's obviously just a stop gap type.

Steven Adams is a long-term project, but a lot of analytics guys think he has high potential.

I just think it's early to say it's total garbage, though obviously none of what they got will be as good as Harden.
Posted by xxKylexx
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2011
4039 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 12:48 pm to
I'm not going to lie, I was really excited for the idea of "Block City".
Posted by Macintosh
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
54202 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 12:49 pm to
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And it's way, way too early to be saying OKC's end of the deal is garbage.

you serious? everyone knows it is garbage
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124026 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 1:08 pm to
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There's still a lot of faith in Lamb's abilities. I've read that people still think he's a better prospect than McLemore.


Who has said that.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
76121 posts
Posted on 6/29/13 at 1:12 pm to
Maybe they meant Lamb's D-League numbers next season will be better than what McLemore does in the NBA.
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