re: Can y’all admit we miss BI

I don’t understand how you can watch games and not think we’re sucking arse cause BI is out.

Can you explain the drop off on offense then? Why isn’t Trey Murphy averaging 20 and 6 assists like BI is?

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I don’t understand how you can watch games and not think we’re sucking arse cause BI is out. Can you explain the drop off on offense then? Why isn’t Trey Murphy averaging 20 and 6 assists like BI is?

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Because we struggled with BI too. Yes BI is one reason we’re losing but even with him we lost these games. You’re acting we were a top 3 team in west with BI- thats NOT true. BI helps sure- but to say we would win these games with him is like ignoring the fact we lost against these same teams when he played. Trey has struggled- hes not at BIs level and I never said he was.

The point is we still arent as good of a team as people think even with BI. Healthy Good teams beat us very often. With or without BI this team wasn’t ever doing anything

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You're making unprovable points like this

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These are facts. Its provable go look at scores of the games we played with him. You’re literally making excuses for whats happening now by saying oh BI is hurt thats why we’re losing games. Again its ONE reason but we had issues with BI too. Its like you’re completely ignoring that. You’re trying to spin positivity by making an easy excuse instead of ignoring that when he played this team still had major issues.

BI can mask a lot of flaws with this team especially from the offensive coaching side of things with his ability to put up points on his own. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time since our offense is highly dependent on asking guys to make something out of nothing and when teams are able to clamp down in the clutch, we crumble more often than not. I feel like the coaching has really handicapped the team especially on the offensive side of the ball.

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After Ingram made a shot to give us the lead, yes. Zion had late turnovers that lost us that game. Ingram was the reason we got the lead late. So the whole "we lost to the celtics with Ingram" is a weak reason to downplay his absence.

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Your stating we lost these games because of BI. One of the games we lost was against the Celtics which we had BI. We lost another clutch game which we have done with and without BI. How is this a WEAK reason?? Again its like your ignoring the issues of this team with BI.

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Struggling? They were only up 7 in the 3rd until he got hurt. It was a game until then and we promptly went down like 15 pts after he got hurt.

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I mean ok lets play this game. 7 points in the third is a close game. We dont know what may have happened if BI stayed healthy. But lets just look at history if this game within 10 points in fourth even with BI- that’s considered a clutch game- how has this team performed? Have we been largely successful in clutch with BI? The answer clearly is NO.

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I feel like you don't understand how talent matters far more than coaching in the NBA. Take the 2nd best player off of literally any of the 4-8 seeded teams and have them play the same schedule we have played, they probably have a very similar record.

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I literally gave you an example of wolves losing Kat and how they kept winning. But you conveniently put 4-8 lol. I will say again yes BI matters but against good teams we still lose these games with him. That literally proven by the games he played against these teams.

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They've played an easier schedule than we have over the course of his injury vs us with Ingrams, but yeah Finch is a better head coach in some respects than willie, but he isn't that much better, he just has a better player in ant vs zion.

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They haven’t played an easier schedule and have been missing KAT for a while now. Finch is MUCH better than Willie. Ant regularly compliments Finch for holding him accountable and making him a great player. When have you ever heard BI or Zion EVER say that aboit Willie??? I dont think you understand GOOD COACHING matters agsinst good teams especially when you have injured stars.

This is why people dont like fricking with you man. You try to spin positive shite instead of facing reality. You been doing this shite all season and its wearing thin.

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The whole "we lost when ingram played, so him being out these games isn't as big of an issue" argument you've been trying to make is whack as shite. You need talent to win games, especially against healthy elite teams.

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Never said its NOT a big issue but your makinh it out to be the ONLY issue- huge difference.

Your completely ignoring when we were healthy we lost against these same teams, have lost down entering the fourth and were horrible in clutch. Completely ignoring that.

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Take KD off the Suns, kyrie off the mavs, sabonis off the kings, etc, and tell me you think they'd have a better record on this homestand than us.

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Yes I do. We have won 1 game on this homestand. Those teams without those guys could probably win 2.

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It's not just one reason, it's the main reason.

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Your making it the ONLY reason. Your ignoring the issues when BI did play this team constantly had.

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Just a coincidence that our offense fell off a cliff when he got hurt?

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Again, you're missing the point entirely.

You're also ignoring the schedule we've played and pretending it's 100% BI going out and has nothing to do with going through a gauntlet of a schedule compared to a very easy schedule before BI went out. That has nothing to do with it according to you.

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Your stating we lost these games because of BI.

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I'm stating it's a main reason. Not the only reason.

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Again its like your ignoring the issues of this team with BI.

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Every team in the league has issues, but talent overcomes a lot of that. You don't see that for some reason.

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mean ok lets play this game. 7 points in the third is a close game. We dont know what may have happened if BI stayed healthy

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All I was trying to say, glad you admit you were wrong.

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But lets just look at history if this game within 10 points in fourth even with BI- that’s considered a clutch game- how has this team performed? Have we been largely successful in clutch with BI? The answer clearly is NO.

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If you want to change the argument to this go ahead, it doesn't mean you were right about the previous argument.

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I literally gave you an example of wolves losing Kat and how they kept winning. But you conveniently put 4-8 lol

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Me putting the teams we're competing against for seeding is convenient, or are you just mad that I'm right and you're wrong?

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I will say again yes BI matters but against good teams we still lose these games with him. That literally proven by the games he played against these teams.

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"We still would've lost these games if our 2nd best player was healthy" said no nba fan of a playoff team ever. Your argument is something that cannot be proven. It's weak at best.

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Finch is MUCH better than Willie

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He has much better players in ant and gobert healthy right now vs z and cj. Unless you want to argue differently and look even dumber.

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This is why people dont like fricking with you man. You try to spin positive shite instead of facing reality. You been doing this shite all season and its wearing thin.

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Yeah I'm Mr. Positivity bro. I've been just as mad as any over this losing streak, don't get your panties twisted because you think coaching is equal or even close to talent in the NBA. You live to pick fights on this board and can't change the argument quick enough when you're proven wrong.

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Yeah I'm Mr. Positivity bro. I've been just as mad as any over this losing streak, don't get your panties twisted because you think coaching is equal or even close to talent in the NBA. You live to pick fights on this board and can't change the argument quick enough when you're proven wrong.

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You’re getting emotional and acting like a child because I disagree with you. It’s what you do. You do this with other posters as well. Its part if your history. You’re taking this way too personal. Seriously, grow up, we’re all pissed they’re losing and we have our own reasons for that no need to throw middle school insults. The problem is you cant control your emotions. Go back typing in CAPS LOCK on your game threads. I honestly wasn’t trying to get in some spitting match with you but typical shite behavior by the worst mod in this board.

I live to pick fights but it takes two to tango. You keep going and you’re as guilty as me but wont admit it.