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re: Bucks have “heavy interest” in Jose
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:28 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:28 am to Fun Bunch
I'd rather not move him. He doesn't have much of any standalone trade value and he brings energy and scoring off the bench, which is something most quality teams have.
If you can use him to make a larger package deal more enticing, then sure, but he's not much of a trade asset on his own
If you can use him to make a larger package deal more enticing, then sure, but he's not much of a trade asset on his own
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:29 am to LSUgrad88
Jose is shooting 40.8% from 3 this season and that’s only a small part of his game. You don’t depart with him unless you get an offer that can’t be refused. frick charity, if the Bucks want him they better offer something worthwhile. frick 2nds.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:31 am to LSUgrad88
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The point everyone is making is that second round picks aren’t much of an asset, and rarely turn into rotation players.
And the point I'm making is that Jose isn't much of an asset...
He's a rotational player that will always be a rotational player.
He isn't an undrafted pick that now has a chance to be a future starter. He will immediately be less valuable then our 1st rd pick this year and has a 50% chance of being less effective or equal value as a vet PG on a min deal.
That isn't a "diamond in the rough" or "striking gold". It was a great pickup that is essentially useless and wasted if we have a chance to turn that into future assets and don't.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:36 am to Dantheman504
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And the point I'm making is that Jose isn't much of an asset...
And that is flat out wrong. He’s a guy who consistently wins his minutes, and brings a spark off the bench. If you think getting the crown involved doesn’t help the home team, then you’re clueless.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:46 am to LSUgrad88
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He’s a guy who consistently wins his minutes, and brings a spark off the bench.
You can get that from about 60% of bench players /veterans on shitty teams.
If our roster was truly healthy and Hawk didnt suck so bad Jose would barely even have minutes.
He's currently the 8th player/ asset on our team behind the starting 5, Missi, and Hawk. And he'd be 9th if we had another Center worth a shite.
So he's the 8th/9th best player on a team that is willing to trade possibly 7/8 people in front of him.
But he's "important"? Crazy
He's closer to a 2nd rd pick that becomes a rotational player > a 1st rd pick that becomes a starter.
If you can process that then you'd be able to see how insane y'all sound.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:54 am to CP3forMVP
For a first I’d think about it. But theres really no need to trade him just to do it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:55 am to Dantheman504
I really don't think y'all understand that the top 6/7 matter way more than anything else.
If we have a healthy and competitive top 7 then the difference between Jose or a vet min PG at 8th is absolutely nothing.
If we have a healthy and competitive top 7 then the difference between Jose or a vet min PG at 8th is absolutely nothing.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:57 am to Dantheman504
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Jose is just that, a legit rotational player that struggled in the playoffs when it matters. A guy that will always be a bench player. You don't NOT take future picks and assets because "your fan base loves him".
I remember him giving CP3 hell in the suns series and I thought he played good.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:07 am to Dantheman504
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really don't think y'all understand that the top 6/7 matter way more than anything else.
You’re kidding right? You need a hell of a lot more than 6 or 7, because those 6/7 ARE NEVER GOING TO STAY HEALTHY an entire season. Are you actually a Pels fan??
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:15 am to Townedrunkard
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I remember him giving CP3 hell in the suns series and I thought he played good.
I'm not even someone who thought he played terrible in the playoff series. I'm just not dumb enough to think he is a difference maker or means anything in the big picture when BI/ CJ couldn't even make a difference while we missed our best player.
Our (2) star players that did play weren't even effective but Jose who played decent at best is going to bring us to the promised land?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:16 am to LSUgrad88
I think Dan just doesn't think Jose is any good.
I completely disagree.
He's turned around games and won them for us.
He's a good player.
Why are 2nds so valuable now? Sure you can use them to dump a shitty player like Graham I guess, but I still don't see what's so magical about them.
Jose at his salary is untouchable unless he's helping us bring back a true star as part of a larger deal. Same for Herb.
I completely disagree.
He's turned around games and won them for us.
He's a good player.
Why are 2nds so valuable now? Sure you can use them to dump a shitty player like Graham I guess, but I still don't see what's so magical about them.
Jose at his salary is untouchable unless he's helping us bring back a true star as part of a larger deal. Same for Herb.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:16 am to LSUgrad88
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because those 6/7 ARE NEVER GOING TO STAY HEALTHY an entire season
That's fine even if they don't stay healthy then we will just be bad. Because Jose Alavardo isn't leading us to the playoffs or making a difference there.
That's the whole point .....absolutely meaningless impact.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:17 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:23 am to ghost2most
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Jose at his salary is untouchable unless he's helping us bring back a true star as part of a larger deal. Same for Herb.
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think Dan just doesn't think Jose is any good.
No I just have enough common sense to process that neither Jose or Herb are untouchable assets on any capacity. Herbs ceiling is probably the 3rd best player on a playoff team and even that's a stretch. He's probably still 4-5 with an impact of a top 3 because of defense.
Neither are cornerstone or untouchable assets.
The fact that our fans think rotational players and glue guys on mediocre teams are untouchable assets tell me all I need to know about the average IQ of our fan base.
Even Herb is a useless player on a mediocre team and is better off elsewhere. Jose doesn't even fricking matter.
Herb is a glue guy on a contender and that maximizes his ceiling at #3/#4. Herb's impact on a borderline play-in team or mediocre team is 0.
Their value is 100% dependent on the REST OF THE TEAM. Those aren't untouchable assets.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:29 am to Dantheman504
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No I just have enough common sense to process that neither Jose or Herb are untouchable assets on any capacity.
No one is saying that itt. Why are you still trying to use this as an argument?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:31 am to Dantheman504
People here really want to trade away the guy giving 100% each night, so that we can draft another Antonio Reeves.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:31 am to Dantheman504
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really don't think y'all understand
Looks like to me there is only 1 that doesn't understand.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:36 am to whatiknowsofar
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No one is saying that
The dude above my response said it.
And if he said Jose is untouchable then there's 100% a large group that think Herb is too.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:38 am to Fun Bunch
Hell nawl
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:40 am to Dantheman504
Our fans might be the only fan base that wants to give up on several all star caliber players and think that the players 100% dependent on those same players are untouchable.
And then somehow convince themselves that we will be contending, better off, and be worth a shite in the near future.
Its honestly sad. I really feel bad for some of you
And then somehow convince themselves that we will be contending, better off, and be worth a shite in the near future.
Its honestly sad. I really feel bad for some of you
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:45 am to Dantheman504
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The dude above my response said it.
And if he said Jose is untouchable then there's 100% a large group that think Herb is too.
Ghost? No he didn't.
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Jose at his salary is untouchable unless he's helping us bring back a true star as part of a larger deal. Same for Herb.
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