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re: Bucks have “heavy interest” in Jose
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:39 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:39 am to Dantheman504
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The 7th-8th worst player on a losing team that wants to trade its top 3 best players is not some cherished assets.
If you're just going to use this season only as a measure of Jose's value you've lost the plot mate.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:40 am to goatmilker
You have to be pretty desperate to dump Jose for some seconds right now. He should be traded at some point but that requires us to have a high level backup already on the team(him being phased out) or him being part of a package in a bigger deal.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:42 am to Fun Bunch
As a "glue guy" Jose's worth more than his stats. The Pels have too many guys with a "meh, it's not my game tonight" attitude and Jose's motor repeatedly drives the bench, and that's before helped the first unit that's usually incapable of picking itself off the floor.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:45 am to whatiknowsofar
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If you're just going to use this season only as a measure of Jose's value you've lost the plot mate
You want me to go back 4 years when he was our 7th/ 8th man behind Devonte fricking Graham and Larry Nance???
The next year we drafted Dyson who also should have eventually surpassed his value.
So you are talking about him still being the 7th/8th player on an even shittier Pelicans team.
Jose becoming the 5th/6th most important player in rotation because 4 starters are out doesn't mean he's a player to build around.
Jose's current ceiling is a 6th man and there's probably less than a 50% chance that happens if he's on a contending roster with everyone above him healthy.
Gets yall's heads out your arse
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:49 am to Dantheman504
[quote]And the kicker is that it still won't matter because Jose fricking Alvarado isn't the difference maker in us winning a championship regardless of personal opinions of him.
You think that late first or couple of seconds is that difference maker? So take a legit rotation player that your fan base loves (a fan base that has been through the ringer due to organizational malpractice) and trade him for essentially nothing? The only way you trade Jose is as part of a bigger package or if someone ridiculously overpays.
You think that late first or couple of seconds is that difference maker? So take a legit rotation player that your fan base loves (a fan base that has been through the ringer due to organizational malpractice) and trade him for essentially nothing? The only way you trade Jose is as part of a bigger package or if someone ridiculously overpays.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:50 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:54 am to LSUgrad88
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So take a legit rotation player that your fan base loves (a fan base that has been through the ringer due to organizational malpractice) and trade him for essentially nothing?
I don't give a frick about your feelings and neither should our FO making business decisions. I think that's what alot of our fans seem to miss.
Jose is just that, a legit rotational player that struggled in the playoffs when it matters. A guy that will always be a bench player. You don't NOT take future picks and assets because "your fan base loves him".
Are we a basketball team trying to win a championship or a fricking soap opera.
Some of y'all need to stop watching basketball and start watching The Bachelorette
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:55 am to Dantheman504
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You want me to go back 4 years when he was our 7th/ 8th man behind Devonte fricking Graham and Larry Nance???
The next year we drafted Dyson who also should have eventually surpassed his value.
Oof. How about 7th/8th man on our 49 and 42 win teams? Is it his fault our star players are always hurt and the main reason we're a "losing team?"
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:56 am to whatiknowsofar
And only Willie’s dumb arse had him behind shitty graham who is out of the league.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:57 am to whatiknowsofar
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Is it his fault our star players are always hurt and the main reason we're a "losing team?"
Do you hear what you are saying?
"Is it his fault that he's literally meaningless to us winning or losing games".
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:58 am to Dantheman504
Future assets? Seconds? What’s the point of trading for seconds to just hope you find the next guy you’re replacing?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:59 am to ghost2most
Jose is absolutely good enough to play in the playoffs imo
Y’all are really selling him short because of one trash series where the whole team played like shite
Y’all are really selling him short because of one trash series where the whole team played like shite
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:59 am to ghost2most
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What’s the point of trading for seconds to just hope you find the next guy you’re replacing?
THAT'S LITERALLY WHY TEAMS TRADE PLAYERS FOR FUTURE ASSETS.
WOW. I really hope that comment was a joke.
I would have know it was a joke if you ended with "and Jose can't be replaced"
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:00 am to Dantheman504
fricking dumb strategy then.
We hit gold finding a rotation guy with a second! There’s like a 10 percent chance of that happening. He’s good and a fan favorite and a great locker room guy. Let’s trade him for a 10 percent chance that we find someone as good!
Genius philosophy
We hit gold finding a rotation guy with a second! There’s like a 10 percent chance of that happening. He’s good and a fan favorite and a great locker room guy. Let’s trade him for a 10 percent chance that we find someone as good!
Genius philosophy
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:02 am to Dantheman504
Dead serious. It’s a fricking retarded strategy. Sure if he was up for a big contract maybe.
He’s dirt cheap. The odds of us finding someone that brings what he does is very low. $3 million savings? Who fricking cares?
He’s dirt cheap. The odds of us finding someone that brings what he does is very low. $3 million savings? Who fricking cares?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:03 am to ghost2most
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We hit gold finding a rotation guy with a second
The product is getting better every year so yes this is becoming easier to do.
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He’s good and a fan favorite and a great locker room
Is he a difference maker? No? Ok cool irrelevant.
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Let’s trade him for a 10 percent chance that we find someone as good!
The issue here is fans thinking we only have a "10% chance" to replace a guy whose averaged 9pts/ 4ast through his career.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:04 am to Dantheman504
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Is it his fault that he's literally meaningless to us winning or losing games".
He is absolutely not meaningless to us winning or losing games. When any teams star players are out as much as ours guys in Jose's role aren't going to matter. So if your argument is to trade him because he isn't a star then that's silly.
He's a player that you can keep for cheap that is valuable in a rebuild or on a winning team. You aren't finding a player like him that the fanbase will love (that's important BTW, your argument to the contrary is wrong) that will give his production in the 2nd round.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:04 am to ghost2most
Seconds have become a lot more valuable with the new cba to help save cap space. Jose only has one more year left on his contract before he’ll inevitably turn down the player optioned final year.
If Griff can get 3-4 second round picks for him, I can see why he’d consider it
If Griff can get 3-4 second round picks for him, I can see why he’d consider it
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:06 am to Dantheman504
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Let’s trade him for a 10 percent chance that we find someone as good
(2) 2nds are future assets. We may never even actually draft anyone with them. The chances that we use those to eventually upgrade from Jose are probably easily 50% because he's not really that special other than whatever personal impression he's made on our fans.
Jose the Pelicans player is special to his fans. Jose the basketball player is not special.
Was he good value? Yeah. Did that value lead us anywhere? Hell yeah it did! (2) 2nds for an undrafted player! That's a big win. Keeping an undrafted player on a mediocre team that isn't a difference maker is a terrible decision.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:09 am to Dantheman504
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I mean if we can get (2) 2nds for Jose
And hope with one of those seconds becomes someone as decent as Jose? It'd be incredibly stupid to trade Jose for 2nds. If Jose goes it needs to be part of a package. No sense in trading a good, cheap player like Jose for wasted picks.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:19 am to Dantheman504
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THAT'S LITERALLY WHY TEAMS TRADE PLAYERS FOR FUTURE ASSETS.
The point everyone is making is that second round picks aren’t much of an asset, and rarely turn into rotation players. Guys like Herb Jones are the exception, not the rule. So as was pointed out earlier, why trade someone who is absolutely a key rotation player for a 50/50 chance, at best, of finding another rotation player. If you find a deal that matters and can actually change things, then make Jose a part of that deal. This isn’t that hard to understand.
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