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re: Brought in for workouts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
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Vrenz Bleijenbergh is working out for the Pels on the 17th.
He seems to be one of the hotter names right now and could rise up the draft boards quite a lot.
Would be a fantastic target in the late first on back for the Pels. A lot of playmaking upside as a supersized guard. Can stash him in the G League and let him develop and also could be a nice trade chip for rebuilding teams dealing out a disgruntled star.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:32 am to supe12sta12z
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team wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think he was a starting caliber player in this
that was before they played in nba games.
now??
kira has gone against the 2nd team players and first team and has no box score that says sweet Mother of God: jackpot.
hes fast. that's his one positive.
sure he can improve but hes gone if I can make a deal and the trade partner points to kiras card.
by now nearly all first round picks are known.
the tall russian poku was a steal.
the tcu shooter was worth the late first trade by memphis with boston.
what do people think of kira now after 72 games. meh.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:34 am to supe12sta12z
You have no idea if Kira is near his peak weight or strength. He's 20 years old. not 17. If he gets bigger, it'll happen soon. There's only so much weight you can carry as an athlete in peak shape. You can put a little weight on in the offseason, but once you start in season training, you usually lose it right back.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:40 am to CelticDog
What's your point? Most with rookies have games like that especially ones with inconsistent playing time and role. He's currently undersized and lacks strength to take on contact but he's also very young with great tools. The Pelicans have no spacing in the paint. His strengths are nullified because of this. They didn't draft him to start from day 1. He's clearly needs time to develop his body. It's just the impatience of this fanbase that drives these drivel.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:40 am to TeddyPadillac
Neither do you. But you keep making that assumption like you know. 
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:50 am to supe12sta12z
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Neither do you. But you keep making that assumption like you know.
my point is even if he gets bigger, say 180lbs, that's still very small. If you're going to be that small, then you better have something really positive going for you in other aspects of your game. And i think Kira has the skills to do that.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:35 pm to supe12sta12z
Maxey had the same type of inconsistent role, but even he had games where it looked like he could be a potential all star. He dropped over 30 a few times. Over 40 in another game. He played key minutes in playoff games. Hell, if they would’ve straight up benched Simmons and just played Maxey, Philly still might be playing.
I think that is where the disappoint comes in about Kira for me.
Maxey is clearly better and he doesn’t even have an elite trait like Kira does in his speed.
I think that is where the disappoint comes in about Kira for me.
Maxey is clearly better and he doesn’t even have an elite trait like Kira does in his speed.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 4:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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very small. If you're going to be that small, then you better have something really positive going for you in other aspects of your game. And i think Kira has the skills to do that.
what skills?
he shoots below average from field.
.415 altogether.
33% from three.
84% ft% is a tad above average for perimeter players but not stellar.
hes 6 1. 170.
maybe he works on his shot.
he needs to.
I remember a michigan ncaa finalist was beat by cornbread Maxwell and unc charlotte. michigan had 2nd round very fast guards who bumbled out of nba.
came back after 2 years in europe.
were pretty good.
kira needs work.
because first round contract pels are stuck hoping he gets serious about learning to shoot on the clock.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 4:57 pm to CelticDog
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what skills?
He can break down his defender and get in the lane, which is an extremely important skill to have as a PG.
If he can model his game after Mike Conley, and get better at shooting from deep, he could be a really good player. He's already got a decent floater, just needs to perfect it.
To me, Conley is his ceiling and they are about the same exact size. Conley is a 15ppg 6apg point guard.
Conley shot 30% from 3 in college, and 70% from the FT line.
His first year he shot 33% from 3 and 73% from the FT line.
The next 13 seasons he averaged 38% from 3 and 83% from the FT line, and never had a season under 36% from 3 (not including the season he only played 12 games).
Kira can get there, but if he does, we'd see that potential this season.
We as fans haven't seen enough of him to really have an opinion on who he can be, but the coaches have. I think he can be anywhere from Collison to Conley, and i'd tend to side more toward Collison, but as i said, i've got limited tape on him. If they were to move him and Bledsoe for Sexton, is b/c they don't believe in that potential.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:28 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Maxey is a year older and he has an NBA ready body. He also has a coach who embraced his rookies and allowed them to shoot the ball. All of their rookies did well when they got playing time and it's not by accident.
SVG really only put Lewis out there to give the ball to Ingram/Zion for the most part while using him as a secondary ball handler and spacer. He didn't get to run very many actions with our stars. His usage was very low for a PG and lower than maxey even though he averaged a little more minutes. Kira didn't even get big minutes until everyone was pretty much injured.
I think you gotta give him an off season and a coach who will let him play with the ball a bit more. The way SVG used Kira last season, that role would have been better for a legit spacer from that draft like Nesmith or Bey. SVG definitely didn't let Kira run a lot of traditional PG but he still showed some flashes of brilliance throughout the season.
SVG really only put Lewis out there to give the ball to Ingram/Zion for the most part while using him as a secondary ball handler and spacer. He didn't get to run very many actions with our stars. His usage was very low for a PG and lower than maxey even though he averaged a little more minutes. Kira didn't even get big minutes until everyone was pretty much injured.
I think you gotta give him an off season and a coach who will let him play with the ball a bit more. The way SVG used Kira last season, that role would have been better for a legit spacer from that draft like Nesmith or Bey. SVG definitely didn't let Kira run a lot of traditional PG but he still showed some flashes of brilliance throughout the season.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:33 pm to supe12sta12z
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Maxey is a year older and he has an NBA ready body. He also has a coach who embraced his rookies and allowed them to shoot the ball. All of their rookies did well when they got playing time and it's not by accident.
SVG really only put Lewis out there to give the ball to Ingram/Zion for the most part while using him as a secondary ball handler and spacer. He didn't get to run very many actions with our stars. His usage was very low for a PG and lower than maxey even though he averaged a little more minutes. Kira didn't even get big minutes until everyone was pretty much injured.
I think you gotta give him an off season and a coach who will let him play with the ball a bit more. The way SVG used Kira last season, that role would have been better for a legit spacer from that draft like Nesmith or Bey. SVG definitely didn't let Kira run a lot of traditional PG but he still showed some flashes of brilliance throughout the season.
and even though i've been a more vocal person on Kira maybe not turning out to be too good, I 100% agree with all of that and i would love to give him a full offseason and a coach that will throw him out there to see what he can do. If he turns out to be a good player, and NAW breaks out as well, the SVG hire will just look even worst, and his firing will look even better.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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coach that will throw him out there to see what he can do.
if
pels lose those Throw him out there games and drop into a tie with Minnesota for 11th...
you can tell in practice.
you dont need to throw him out there.
hes a mediocre shooter and too small to defend vs post up.
if the rules against travel and carry were enforced Kira could star on defense. most big guards carry.
theres no defense vs carrying the ball.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:30 pm to supe12sta12z
Fair assessment. Maxey definitely does have the better nba body at this point. And Kira would sometimes kind of disappear on the court for long stretches. Maybe that was due to coaching and role as you surmise.
Time will tell. I don’t dislike Kira and I’m willing to give him more time and reps, but he’s also not an untouchable trade-wise for me like Hayes or NAW (Naw isn’t a true untouchable for me, but he’s close).
Time will tell. I don’t dislike Kira and I’m willing to give him more time and reps, but he’s also not an untouchable trade-wise for me like Hayes or NAW (Naw isn’t a true untouchable for me, but he’s close).
Posted on 7/13/21 at 5:32 am to 3PieceSpicy
I tend to agree.
I feel like Jax is close to being untouchable, then NAW, then Kira
But really, anyone outside of Zion is tradeable
I feel like Jax is close to being untouchable, then NAW, then Kira
But really, anyone outside of Zion is tradeable
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:37 am to Pelefraan 1
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Jaden Springer has worked out for the Knicks, Spurs, Thunder, Pacers, Pelicans, Pacers. Lot of buzz about him looking more explosive with a healthy ankle.
Seems like alot of guys being brought in that are more late 1st rounders
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:35 pm to Soggymoss
“Explosive” Springer might be worth a 10th pick. I think the biggest knock on him was lack of elite athleticism.
I gotta watch some film on him.
Currently I love either Moody or Segun at 10 if we actually keep the pick. If we trade down with OKC or New York, that’s when I begin to become more okay with taking a fit based perceived lower upside player like Kipsert, Duarte or a less explosive Springer.
I gotta watch some film on him.
Currently I love either Moody or Segun at 10 if we actually keep the pick. If we trade down with OKC or New York, that’s when I begin to become more okay with taking a fit based perceived lower upside player like Kipsert, Duarte or a less explosive Springer.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 3:13 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 7/17/21 at 3:26 pm to Soggymoss
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Vrenz Bleijenbergh has completed his workout with the team
Posted on 7/17/21 at 3:42 pm to purplepylon
You should look him up. 6'10" SF out of Belgium, been a pro in Europe for 3 years, and shoots 37% from 3.
Very high upside guy that's projected as a 2nd rounder.
Very high upside guy that's projected as a 2nd rounder.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 7/17/21 at 4:41 pm to Soggymoss
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Bleijenbergh
I'm buying the Jersey day 1.
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