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re: Brandon Ingram statement
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:01 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:01 pm to Dantheman504
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What we really probably should have done is traded Zion for an all star center, kept BI, and started Trey at PF.
I told y'all this 3 years ago, but Zion is shinier.
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:05 pm to duyp
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BI didn’t want to be here
Can you blame him? Half of our fans blamed him for Zion's short-comings and the front office did nothing to hold Zion accountable. Our fanbase deserves Zion.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:06 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I still rather have Zion. Zion is a guy who can be the #1 option compared to BI.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:20 pm to duyp
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of BI and thought his play making was getting better. But if you saw his games, you saw how he passed up a couple wide open shots and rather pass it or go for the mid range. Most of those 3s made were around the end of the shot clock.
Yeah agreed I don't think he wanted to stay here. I think there was a level of disrespect when we continued to make Z the face of the franchise when BI was the one leading. Not saying he was a great leader but he was the leader and main guy. He probably would have stayed if we promised to trade Z and make him the featured guy.
My biggest pet peeve was him passing up 3's for 21' ft 2 pt shots and him being scared to take contact at the rim.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:24 pm to duyp
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I still rather have Zion. Zion is a guy who can be the #1 option compared to BI.
Most would agree with you if they played the same amount of games for us. But one guy played about 20+ more games per season. That is the reason the argument could go the other way. Besides BI having more overall game than Z.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:42 pm to Dantheman504
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Not saying he was a great leader but he was the leader and main guy.
Zion has many many shortcomings.
But no team with BI as its leader and number one is going anywhere. Shoulda shipped them both off. Griff had the chance to take Fox for BI at one point.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:09 pm to Dantheman504
I’d like to know how Griff kept “making Zion the face of the franchise.” It was Ingram front and center in the mural at the facility, it was Ingram who was announced last in the starting lineup, it was Ingram who led the charge to scrap Borrego’s offense after the first month in 23-24.
Ingram was more of a “face of the franchise” here than he would have been on any other team in the league.
Now, there was a problem when Zion played because it was painfully obvious that Zion was the best player. I don’t think Ingram liked that at all. In fairness to Ingram, it had to be incredibly difficult to be in that position. However, it is also very obvious we weren’t going anywhere with him as the top guy and Zion has the much higher ceiling. Ingram hasn’t played a game yet for Toronto and his contract is already viewed as one of the worst values in the league.
Ingram was more of a “face of the franchise” here than he would have been on any other team in the league.
Now, there was a problem when Zion played because it was painfully obvious that Zion was the best player. I don’t think Ingram liked that at all. In fairness to Ingram, it had to be incredibly difficult to be in that position. However, it is also very obvious we weren’t going anywhere with him as the top guy and Zion has the much higher ceiling. Ingram hasn’t played a game yet for Toronto and his contract is already viewed as one of the worst values in the league.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:10 pm to Dantheman504
quote:So the 18 games is too small of a sample size to judge his efficiency but not too small to judge his 3 point shooting commitment?
That he only played 18 games. Your explanation is based on an 18 game season, we do not know if he would have ended up less efficient through the whole season.
The only thing I know for a fact is that he doubled his 3's taken and anyone who says otherwise is full of shite.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:12 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:So, the guy saying he wants to be the focal point of the offense, but it everyone else's fault when he is that?
Because, as has been pointed out, Zion got fat and Dejounte got hurt so he had to play mostly on-ball.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:12 pm to Townedrunkard
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Griff had the chance to take Fox for BI at one point.
The trade that got away was with the Pacers. At the time we could have traded BI for atleast (1) of Mathurin/ Nembhard + Nesmith + (1) of Obi Toppin/ McConnell+ picks(s).
And they wanted him.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:23 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Pure speculation or assumption.
Griff had the chance to take Fox for BI at one point.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:27 pm to Dantheman504
I was the few who wanted BI to stay. But if the Pelicans knew he would decline the 4/160. They should’ve immediately traded him then instead of waiting. Let’s see if Bey and Queen can be beneficial to lessen the wound.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:35 pm to ThePistol
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I’d like to know how Griff kept “making Zion the face of the franchise.” It was Ingram front and center in the mural at the facility, it was Ingram who was announced last in the starting lineup, it was Ingram who led the charge to scrap Borrego’s offense after the first month in 23-24.
Ingram was more of a “face of the franchise” here than he would have been on any other team in the league.
Right and the issue was that:
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when Zion played because it was painfully obvious that Zion was the best player. I don’t think Ingram liked that at all. In fairness to Ingram, it had to be incredibly difficult to be in that position. However, it is also very obvious we weren’t going anywhere with him as the top guy and Zion has the much higher ceiling.
So (1) guy was the "face of the franchise" until the actual face of the franchise was healthy and then he went to #2. Which would get aggravating.
Maybe "making Zion the face of the franchise" was a bad use of words. The point was that BI was seen as the face of the franchise but a healthy Z always got more attention.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:47 pm to NOSHAU
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Pure speculation or assumption.
Not really, griff was trying to get Fox coming off a down year. He was trying to use the war chest and not send any main pieces. Sac was trying to shake it up and move Fox. They didn’t get what they wanted so they moved Hali instead who brought the better return. It was floated that they want BI.
We all know Griff had an infatuation with BI until he finally figured out what most of us knew years prior. He’s an oft injured, non winning empty stats player.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:31 pm to ThePistol
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It was Ingram front and center in the mural at the facility
It was Husky front and center in the mural at the arena.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:45 pm to NOSHAU
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So the 18 games is too small of a sample size to judge his efficiency but not too small to judge his 3 point shooting commitment?
Yes? Averaging 3 a game and then shooting 6 every game after you say you will is pretty fricking cut and dry.
What's not cut and dry? His offensive effeciencies WHILE changing his offense and taking different shots.
One is a controlled variable and the other is not. That shouldn't be complicated.
One is an effective and consistent change.
The other is a variable that changes due to other variables.
So yes BI shooting (6) 3's is a controlled variable while the other is effected by who else is on the court, what shots BI is taking at a different rate, specific game scenarios, and in reality defensive schemes considering he was getting extra attention.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:46 pm to Pistol44
But not at the facility that the players are in every day and Ingram got announced last in the lineup, opening practice etc. he was Griff’s face of the franchise.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:51 pm to Townedrunkard
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Zion has many many shortcomings.
But no team with BI as its leader and number one is going anywhere.
And how far has a team gone with Zion as the leader?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:52 pm to NOSHAU
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So, the guy saying he wants to be the focal point of the offense, but it everyone else's fault when he is that?
Being the focal point does not mean playing point.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:55 pm to Townedrunkard
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He’s an oft injured, non winning empty stats player
And we doubled down on the above with an eating disorder instead...
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