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re: Borrego 1 of 2 main targets for Cavaliers following firing of Bickerstaff

Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:24 pm to
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I get a kick out of these takes that BI single handily sabotaged the Pels offense via bloggers/podcasters hearsay



Why did Zion have the presser with the quote of him taking a backseat and just trying to fit in? Who do you think he's taking a backseat too if the offense never changed and was always Zion as the #1 guy?

Help me understand the logic of your #1 option clearly not happy and giving quotes about taking a backseat.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:27 pm to
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Also facts-
Over the past 2 seasons, the Pels have a higher win% in the 55 games BI missed than they do in the 109 games he played.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
12205 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:28 pm to
That's because Willie is one the nicest Special Eds you'll ever meet. Gail has soft spot for the less fortunate
Posted by saintslsupels
Member since Jul 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Why did Zion have the presser with the quote of him taking a backseat and just trying to fit in

Zions press conference was completely out of line and unprofessional. We were 9 games into the season and he had played in less than 30 games the previous 2 years. He had no business saying all that in a press conference less than 10 games into the season.

Also, you realize that Zion was directing those comments towards the coaching staff and Borrego, and not towards BI right? You’re using that press conference to attack BI and defend Borrego, but Zion was throwing the coaching staff under the bus, he wasn’t talking about BI.

Posted by ErikGordan
Member since Oct 2016
968 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:53 pm to
Why would a coach want an overweight and out of shape Z as the first option? Seems like Z didnt fit according to your post.
Provide a link to those rumors about Brandon and Boreggo.
Posted by saintslsupels
Member since Jul 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:10 pm to
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Provide a link to those rumors about Brandon and Boreggo

There’s no links from anyone credible. While I agree that BI’s weird mid range obsession was definitely an issue, I think it’s silly to say that we completely abandoned Borrego’s offense because of BI.
Posted by IronJohn
Member since Jun 2023
272 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:17 pm to
It’s weird situation to be in. I mean think about it.

Who else would hire Willie to be their head coach? Certainly not Cleveland or the Lakers.

Meanwhile, our assistant coach is getting serious interest from every team that has a head coaching vacancy.

I wish we didn’t have to suffer another year of Willie being mediocre to bad at everything before we move on.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:40 pm to
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There’s no links from anyone credible. While I agree that BI’s weird mid range obsession was definitely an issue, I think it’s silly to say that we completely abandoned Borrego’s offense because of BI.


LINK

This individual was a credentialed member of the pelicans media this season who reported this. But I’m sure this won’t be credible enough for some of you.

This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:43 pm to
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You're going to find yourself swimming upstream her


lol …. Thanks for the warning, but I’m use to it. Same crowd usually, but we all need (including me) levity from time to time.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:54 pm to
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This individual was a credentialed member of the pelicans media this season who reported this


Oh, that young man. I tried listening to his pod once or twice until he went in on 10 minute rant about a game and then in the same pod admitted he hadn’t watched the game. If that’s the source, well I just don’t know what to tell you. Look, I’m not opposed to improving the team by moving on from players, but geez talk facts instead of ‘mean girl’ gossip.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:56 pm to
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Zions press conference was completely out of line and unprofessional
You did not answer the question.
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Also, you realize that Zion was directing those comments towards the coaching staff and Borrego, and not towards BI right? You’re using that press conference to attack BI and defend Borrego, but Zion was throwing the coaching staff under the bus, he wasn’t talking about BI.
Not relevant to the question.


Let's try again... Why did Zion have the presser with the quote of him taking a backseat and just trying to fit in?
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:58 pm to
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There’s no links from anyone credible. While I agree that BI’s weird mid range obsession was definitely an issue, I think it’s silly to say that we completely abandoned Borrego’s offense because of BI.



Weren't you one of the 2 guys that had a complete meltdown and said I was making it up before I showed my source and a mod confirmed it was a legit source?



You gonna melt over it again, I see it coming already.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:59 pm to
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But oh you’ll say BI was injured- well lets like you say start with facts- BI was healthy enough to play and was horrible during the time the team needed him the most


Ok, Dr. Welby
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 5:03 pm to
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Ok, Dr. Welby


Lol damn did I take away your reply.

Your response is insinuating that I’m a fake doctor from a 1969 drama series hahahaha.

He was a general practitioner not a psychiatrist so you need to be more accurate in your 1969 TV doctor comparisons lol
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 7:15 pm to
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He was a general practitioner not a psychiatrist so you need to be more accurate in your 1969 TV doctor comparisons lol


Nah, I was referring to your contention that I’d say BI was injured, implying that you obviously think he wasn’t and just got handled. Point being both Zion and BI didn’t end the season healthy which you correctly stated was the most important time of the year. Now if you want to move off one or the other due to them not being able to stay healthy and available, that seems to me reasonable. But to start spitballing mutinous behavior when facts clearly don’t substantiate that position in order to usher one or the other out the door is where I take issue. Particularly from the ‘mean girl’ bloggers/podcasters who clearly don’t know what the heck they’re talking about. Good catch on the Dr. Welby shout out …. sometimes I have to remember everyone is not an old fart like me ….lol.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:26 pm to
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Nah, I was referring to your contention that I’d say BI was injured, implying that you obviously think he wasn’t and just got handled. Point being both Zion and BI didn’t end the season healthy which you correctly stated was the most important time of the year.


I get what you’re saying but reality is BI was healthy enough to play. If hes healthy enough to play- Im not going to judge him as being injured. The real problem is BI has serious issues returning to form after injury- this has become an ongoing issue with him.

Also I agree with you completely you can’t survive on two injured stars. One yes but not two.

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Good catch on the Dr. Welby shout out …. sometimes I have to remember everyone is not an old fart like me ….lol.


Not going to lie- I googled that. Past my time lol
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 10:18 pm to
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Help me understand the logic of your #1 option clearly not happy and giving quotes about taking a backseat


I and others didn’t take the presser as a shot at BI more having him him stashed on the short corner. A lot of that had to do with him being out of shape the first half of the year. To his credit he got himself into shape the second half of the year, but you have to admit complaining about your role when you’re 35 pounds overweight is a bit much.

In regards to him being the number one option, clearly CJ didn’t see it that way as he averaged the most shots. It was always about point Zion and when the reins were clearly handed over to him at the ASB the team didn’t improve markedly, and now most can see point Zion is not a system due to ballhandling, 3 point shooting and durability issues. Additionally, like LeBron and Giannis it wont attract players to come here so they can just sit in a corner waiting on a kick-out.

Not bagging on Zion because he’s uber talented, just misused like BI. Adults need to step in and maximize their effectiveness as elite finishers and secondary playmakers. This organization though shies away from those coversations, acquiesces to their stars, and sits on their hands in getting the requisite help. I like CJ, but him leading the team in FGA is criminal. Seems like Pels are now on board with bringing in a lead facilitator and modern post. Just a shame they’re three years late in making moves anyone could see that were needed long ago.

But, by all means, continue to spitball shite why BI is a malcontent and not a good fit, pasing the buck for poor organizational decisions.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 10:25 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13491 posts
Posted on 5/24/24 at 8:03 am to
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LINK

This individual was a credentialed member of the pelicans media this season who reported this. But I’m sure this won’t be credible enough for some of you.
Not saying your information is not true, but "cheddachaz" is about as far from "credible" as they come.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:00 am to
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But I’m sure this won’t be credible enough for some of you.


quote:

Not saying your information is not true, but "cheddachaz" is about as far from "credible" as they come.



Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:36 am to
There's nothing overly credible just rumors out there in the ether.

The question is, if you were Borrego, would you want BI?

If you were, Langdon, would you want to give up a bunch for BI?


I could see Langdon pushing for a CJ deal though
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