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re: Aug 6th BI Deadline
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:29 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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Most people think that is way too much for OG. He's a 3rd best player, at best, and 3rd best shouldn't be making max money. and i agree, he is in the perfect role over there, and Bridges will be too. They dont' have the burden of creating offense. Just play defense and knock down open 3's. But that's not a role that shoudl be getting paid max money.
You’re not wrong but the thing is the Knicks paid OG not just for the talent he brings but also his fit on the team and how he makes them better. The key difference is Knicks know for sure OG makes them better and fits with the team- hence they paid him. Meanwhile we don’t necessarily know if BI will fit seamlessly (he might) but its hard to pay a guy when you don’t know that. Thats why I kind of agree its not necessarily the best comparison.
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:30 am to WaltWhite504
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expiring 36 million dollar contract.
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Every team is trying to ditch cap right now,
Uh...
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
BI falls into the purgatory category.
Good enough to be thought of but NOT good enough to matter in the big picture.
Good enough to be thought of but NOT good enough to matter in the big picture.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:31 am to Pels_Yaz
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Agree with NOSHAU here but the key is good teams usually trade these players quicker than what Griffin has done especially if they didn’t want to give him the max. To me as soon as BI rejected the supposed extension offer last summer- Griffin should have tried to trade him. Instead its put Griff in a tough spot where he has to trade him or he overpays him.
To me the whole BI thing is an example of Griff valuing his own players more than the market does. And if thats the case- then just pay him but this no mans land scenario should not be an option.
I’ve been on the trade BI bandwagon for years now and would have moved him a long time ago too. But I understand Griff’s thought process even if I disagree with it. He’s put in a tough position as a small market team where he knows that it’s harder to get talent. So when you do, you never want to move a dollar for four quarters. I’m guessing he thought the risk of BI’s value depreciating the closer he got to the end of his contract was worth seeing if BI could take the next step as a player. He did something extremely similar, albeit on a much smaller scale, with Kira.
Can’t imagine he ever believed BI would look as bad as he did last summer with team USA and then this year in the playoffs. Throw in injuries to our core players and losing time to see if they can work together, and I can at least understand how we got to this point.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think had you seen a healthy BI and Zion at least once in the previous 4 seasons before this year, then trading BI last offseason would have been a lot simpler decision to make.
Correct.
And we were legit worried a year ago Zion may be trying to leave, while knowing BI would never leave us.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think had you seen a healthy BI and Zion at least once in the previous 4 seasons before this year,
Maybe but the fact they can’t stay healthy together to begin with (4 seasons of proof) and Zion is already locked up, should be a factor in Griff trying to trade him as well. I mean lets be honest they both got injured again at the worst possible time again this season.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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And we were legit worried a year ago Zion may be trying to leave,
Were we worried Zion was going to leave? Did he ever give any indication of that or was it just talking heads on TV wanting him to go to a bigger market?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:38 am to Pels_Yaz
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You’re not wrong but the thing is the Knicks paid OG not just for the talent he brings but also his fit on the team and how he makes them better.
Correct. Throw in the way the Celtics were built, PG’s max at his age, and how much interest Bridges got this off-season. I don’t think the public has quite caught up yet with this thinking, but it’s clear that there’s been a shift to how NBA teams value player versatility and fit. Both of those things are not BI’s best attributes
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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If Murray/BI/Zion mesh well together and BI's game improves off the ball while Murray is able to take a leadership role at the end of games and help us close more games out in the clutch, then that's the team you want going forward. There is a lot more potential for success with BI than without him
If he shows that this year, it is a no brainer to give him a max contract. But if you extend him for more than his current cost and he retreats to the familiar, then you have an albatross of a contract and may have screwed your future with Murphy. Any non S&T extension this offseason is a big risk/reward gamble. To me, the lower risk, but potentially same reward, is letting him play as an expiring. The risk of losing him for nothing is not as bad as the risk of losing Trey and keeping him on a big contract if he doesn't change his ways.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:45 am to mhasen1
Shams said Lauri is signing an extension with Jazz.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:52 am to mhasen1
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For the most part, Ingram has not been doing what the Pelicans are asking him to do.
They asked him to be the PG, b/c we had no PG, and his stats are reflective of that.
Someone has to be the creator of the offense. That isnt' CJ, and Zion wasn't healthy enough early in the season.
I've shown the stats before on how much better offensively BI is when Jose is on the court. BI needs to be off the ball, but we didn't really allow that opportunity to happen much the last 2 years. There's a much better chance BI goes back to being a SG instead of a PG with Murray here, and his efficiency numbers are going to increase.
BI is not looking at Tobias money, and it's silly to think he'd be making $25M/yr.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:54 am to TeddyPadillac
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They asked him to be the PG, b/c we had no PG, and his stats are reflective of that.
Someone has to be the creator of the offense. That isnt' CJ, and Zion wasn't healthy enough early in the season.
I've shown the stats before on how much better offensively BI is when Jose is on the court. BI needs to be off the ball, but we didn't really allow that opportunity to happen much the last 2 years. There's a much better chance BI goes back to being a SG instead of a PG with Murray here, and his efficiency numbers are going to increase
The messed up part is that BI is getting devalued for doing exactly what the team asked him to do.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:58 am to mhasen1
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But if you extend him for more than his current cost and he retreats to the familiar, then you have an albatross of a contract
He's not getting a max. a max could be an albatross. A 4/$180M is not an albatross for BI, even if he doesn't do well for us. Teams still know what he is capable of. He's not some dogshit player many of you think he is.
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and may have screwed your future with Murphy.
in what way?
We aren't losing Trey b/c of what we do with BI. I don't think i'm wrong in thinking the team wants to see what Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/ZIon can do. Trey is a lot more important to this teams future than CJ. What happens with BI has a lot more bearing on what happens to CJ, not Trey.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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They asked him to be the PG, b/c we had no PG, and his stats are reflective of that.
Someone has to be the creator of the offense. That isnt' CJ, and Zion wasn't healthy enough early in the season.
I've shown the stats before on how much better offensively BI is when Jose is on the court. BI needs to be off the ball, but we didn't really allow that opportunity to happen much the last 2 years. There's a much better chance BI goes back to being a SG instead of a PG with Murray here, and his efficiency numbers are going to increase.
Was Tyrese Halliburton not a point guard? What about Jalen Brunson? He struggled just as much next to them.
I hope he does fit like you believe because I agree with you that our theoretical best roster includes him, Herb, Murray, Murphy, and Zion. But I don't put nearly as high a likelihood of that happening as some of you do.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:04 am to mhasen1
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:04 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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The messed up part is that BI is getting devalued for doing exactly what the team asked him to do.
The team specifically asked him to shoot less 3s?
Can he not run an offense and shoot 3s? Something most NBA stars do? Are you saying hes being devalued because we expected too much from him- even though its what most teams expect out of their stars?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:08 am to 50_Tiger
What is the connection to BI with the Lauri extension?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:16 am to Large Farva
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What is the connection to BI with the Lauri extension?
Theory is Jazz will want to pair Lauri with another quality guy. This could all be bullshite though.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:19 am to 50_Tiger
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Theory is Jazz will want to pair Lauri with another quality guy. This could all be bullshite though.
Clark and Shamit have hinted at this a lot. Also we’re over the tax- I highly doubt they want to stay that way. I think a trade is coming but it may or may not include BI.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:24 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Yeah, I have seen that from the local talking heads, but will believe it when I see it. I think it is just basically their fan speculation.
Theory is Jazz will want to pair Lauri with another quality guy. This could all be bullshite though.
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