After sleeping on it (the game) last night.

And yet, try to tell half the board it will take a little time, and they dont listen

20-30 games will be the test, last night was good and showed the guys the system will work they just have to keep playing within it

We really haven't looked good with Favors at all, on both ends of the court. He's just not adapted to the fast pace yet. He may be able to, but we haven't seen any glimpses of that.
He may be someone that we play more against teams that favor a more traditional half court offense. His pick and roll/pop defense out on the perimeter has looked really bad, but his defense down low has been elite.


I think our halfcourt offense the first few games was more predicated on setting up plays for guards and the action was trying to set them up.
The 2nd half against the Warriors with Hayes, and this past game, all you saw was the 5 coming out and setting the pick and going from there, and it allowed the offense to flow so much better.

Okafor is one of the best 1on1 post scorers in the league, and that should be utilized more. Doesn't mean you force the issue and just let him go to work early in the shot clock, but like last night getting him the ball as the roll man and letting him go to work quickly with his defender not completely set was very effective. Just the athleticism that Hayes presents when he rolls to the goal spaces the floor so much more than what we were doing the first 2-3 games.

Favors downfall offensively is he has no post moves, isn't a shooter, and he isn't an athletic rim runner or even a pick and roll guy like Okafor was last night. Okafor isn't that athletic, but he's obviously been working on his handles and he looks quick out there. Favors looks slow.

I think Favors can definitely be a positive for us, but we have got to have better coaching on both ends of the court for that to happen when he's in the game. Can't just run the same stuff like he's Okafor or Hayes, b/c he's not.

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Favors downfall offensively is he has no post moves, isn't a shooter, and he isn't an athletic rim runner or even a pick and roll guy

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then what exactly could he bring to the table offensively? Offensive rebounds and then going back up strong?

I think the only reason Favors hasn't looked good is his injury. Once that's healed he will look better.

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Jah deserves to start right now and maybe even after Favors comes back.

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Nah, this team desperately needs the rebounding that Favors offers. It's crazy that we won a game with a game high of 5 rebounds.

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I love Jah and I think he should start for now, but lets pump the brakes on "Jah should start over Favors."

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But it isn't just one game. Jah has looked better than Favors since the beginning of the preseason. I'm still hoping that Favors comes around, but we haven't seen it yet.

I can't blame you or anyone else for watching both Favors & Jah since preseason and concluding that "Jah > Favors." But I'm telling you that there is a major difference between an above average NBA defender and a below average one like Jah. And Favors has consistently shown his pedigree in the past.

Biggest problem right now is Jah's defense. He's not the defensive anchor Favors is. Without Zion, I'm fine with starting Jah, with Zion, we need a more defensive minded center.

Right now (without Zion), we need someone that is a scoring threat in the post. And that coincides with Jah's game. Problem is when Zion comes back, what else does Jah do well in the post besides score?




On top of all that, I haven't seen Jah consistently having success against starting NBA bigs. Last night was a step in a direction that could change my mind. But right now, I'm excited for Jah's success however cautiously optimistic.

He's average to below average defender based on advanced stats and the eye test. Plus he isn't overly long. So not 'terrible" but not "good." He's somewhere in-between.


I know Favors hasn't been great so far, but he is historically an elite defender. Historically a better rebounder & better shot blocker than Jah too.

Maybe I’m making a mistake, but I tend to trust Griff’s judgment on Favors. I remember Favors being a problem for us when we would play Utah.

His advanced stats on D werent bad and the eye test has been fine. You are actually making up stuff right now. His issues in his earlier years were on ball defense, defending the rim and lack of rebounding. He has been way better at all those things since his body transformation.

One thing Ive noticed in game threads is people only coming in to post bullshite on Okafor defense. 1st game against Toronto, Hes on the perimeter defending Siakam 1 on 1 and Siakam beats him and the morons come chiming in about Thats why you cant play him because of that. What fricking Center in the league was going to stop that.