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re: A little math and history for you guys
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:39 pm to Crewz
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:39 pm to Crewz
Knicks package is most interesting to me because they can send you an extra 1st in 2020 (Knicks), 2021(Mavs) 2022 (Knicks) and 2023(Mavs).
Not for the picks themselves, but the ability to have the ammo for trades to construct a proper roster around Zion over the next 4 years. Knox and DSJ can be moved if not wanted also.
Not for the picks themselves, but the ability to have the ammo for trades to construct a proper roster around Zion over the next 4 years. Knox and DSJ can be moved if not wanted also.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 4:40 pm
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:40 pm to Crewz
I think bringing in the duke boys brings optimism. Its fun, its entertaining and a great story. Does it mean its a 100 percent chance to achieve long term winning... absolutely not but it sure is something for people to look forward to.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:42 pm to Sharp85
Getting people excited for a few months up front isn't nearly as valuable as having their excitement for the next 10+ years. This should not even be a 1% factor in the decision. Its an added bonus, at best, but you should not ever think about the press conference or initial fan excitement as a core part of any decision. Build the best team, even if the fans hate it when you make the move, and you will reap the benefits long term
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:45 pm to Crewz
off topic but wilbon just went off basically saying watch ad be here in 2 years almost sounded like a guarantee and I mean he was right about zion and his dad so do you think he knows something or its just him making a guess?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:17 pm to Crewz
My argument is that I don't want a half-in AD. Signing a one-year extension is not all-in under any reasonable definition. You would be setting the team up for uncertainty. Even if it's not WC Finals or bust or that 'it doesn't work that way,' I don't see the benefit in dragging things out when you have no measurable way to know whether AD will ultimately want to stay or go.
In the interim you have passed up on the proverbial birds in the hand you could reap from at least three teams aggressively competing with trade packages for AD. Do we know what will be on the table in 2020? Do we know how many teams will be competing as potential trade partners in 2020? There are too many uncertainties to make me think a one-year extension is the optimal solution to the AD 'situation.'
You want to talk about fantasy and hope? That's exactly what you're subjecting this team to gambling on a one-year extension for Davis that stands a decent change of not panning out in this team's favor.
I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong but I am saying that these are two equally reasonable arguments.
In the interim you have passed up on the proverbial birds in the hand you could reap from at least three teams aggressively competing with trade packages for AD. Do we know what will be on the table in 2020? Do we know how many teams will be competing as potential trade partners in 2020? There are too many uncertainties to make me think a one-year extension is the optimal solution to the AD 'situation.'
You want to talk about fantasy and hope? That's exactly what you're subjecting this team to gambling on a one-year extension for Davis that stands a decent change of not panning out in this team's favor.
I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong but I am saying that these are two equally reasonable arguments.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:34 pm to Unknown_Poster
I disagree because we know what AD is a player.
You are worried about him leaving or getting reinjured or intangibles in the locker room - and I have many of these same concerns with these other guys we can get for them PLUS I also don't know what they will be on the court.
Again, my thinking and most other peoples is different. I do not think he rejected THIS franchise. I do not think he was in the wrong for wanting to get out from under the shite show of what this franchise was in January. So I don't think its some fantasy that he can be the same guy you guys all loved the previous 6 years. The odds of that is FAR more likely than the odds of these young guys being a talent anywhere close to what he is
You are worried about him leaving or getting reinjured or intangibles in the locker room - and I have many of these same concerns with these other guys we can get for them PLUS I also don't know what they will be on the court.
Again, my thinking and most other peoples is different. I do not think he rejected THIS franchise. I do not think he was in the wrong for wanting to get out from under the shite show of what this franchise was in January. So I don't think its some fantasy that he can be the same guy you guys all loved the previous 6 years. The odds of that is FAR more likely than the odds of these young guys being a talent anywhere close to what he is
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:40 pm to Crewz
I definitely don't have anything against AD for requesting a trade. And I agree picks/young talent are an uncertainty. But we're dealing with dueling uncertainties of sorts. We know AD's talent but we really don't know what metrics he'll ultimately use to decide if he will stay or go.
Are the odds of him staying better/worse than picks/young talent panning out? You say, yes. I can't really say at all because you're dealing with a lot of variables on both ends. My primary concern is that the assets in 2020 (if needed assuming he opts out) won't be as good as the assets currently on the table. It's almost a perfect storm of LA, NY, and Boston forcing each other to sweeten their respective pots. But, who knows, maybe more teams could be in the AD sweepstakes in 2020. Maybe not.
Are the odds of him staying better/worse than picks/young talent panning out? You say, yes. I can't really say at all because you're dealing with a lot of variables on both ends. My primary concern is that the assets in 2020 (if needed assuming he opts out) won't be as good as the assets currently on the table. It's almost a perfect storm of LA, NY, and Boston forcing each other to sweeten their respective pots. But, who knows, maybe more teams could be in the AD sweepstakes in 2020. Maybe not.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:51 pm to Unknown_Poster
If you want to build a really nice, deep roster on paper, it's honestly not that hard with how much talent there is in the league.
If you want to be the best of 30 teams - the only one left standing - your risk tolerance has to go way up.
David Griffin would never think the way you do in the second paragraph. All he would want is a real chance to prove that the organization will raise ten notches with his vision and he would have zero doubt anybody who spends a year inside of that will want to stay.
Now, he might be overconfident and be proven wrong. But if you want to be the best of 30, you can't make fear based decisions, especially when it comes to a superstar. If you have a chance to get one or keep one, you gotta be bold.
Let me give you an example. Let's say we go into lotto night and we would have gotten the 4th pick. You are kinda happy as you moved up, but are a little bummed too. I come up to you with a 4 sided dice and say, "Pick whatever number you want. If it comes up your number, you move up to #1. If it doesn't, you lose your pick."
What would you do? What would most people do?
If you wanna be a GM who wins a title, you roll that dice
If you want to be the best of 30 teams - the only one left standing - your risk tolerance has to go way up.
David Griffin would never think the way you do in the second paragraph. All he would want is a real chance to prove that the organization will raise ten notches with his vision and he would have zero doubt anybody who spends a year inside of that will want to stay.
Now, he might be overconfident and be proven wrong. But if you want to be the best of 30, you can't make fear based decisions, especially when it comes to a superstar. If you have a chance to get one or keep one, you gotta be bold.
Let me give you an example. Let's say we go into lotto night and we would have gotten the 4th pick. You are kinda happy as you moved up, but are a little bummed too. I come up to you with a 4 sided dice and say, "Pick whatever number you want. If it comes up your number, you move up to #1. If it doesn't, you lose your pick."
What would you do? What would most people do?
If you wanna be a GM who wins a title, you roll that dice
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:58 pm to Crewz
Just curious, what do you want to happen, and what do you think will actually happen when it’s all said and done?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:10 pm to Mr. Hangover
I want AD to sign the extension #1, opt in #2, get traded for Celtics or Knicks all in package #3
If I had to bet today, I would close my eyes and put my money on him being on the roster opening night one way or another. But its like a 55/45 or 60/40 proposition either way at this point. I think we will know by the end of the month and I am fine waiting that long.
If I had to bet today, I would close my eyes and put my money on him being on the roster opening night one way or another. But its like a 55/45 or 60/40 proposition either way at this point. I think we will know by the end of the month and I am fine waiting that long.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:44 pm to Crewz
We’ve had four months to consider a team without Davis but with all the assets he would bring...that got people excited for the future, especially if we got zion. Now we’ve had two days to consider a team with Davis and zion. I don’t think it’s sunk in yet as to just how powerful that could be, because it wasn’t a realistic option
the Shaq/penny magic and the Duncan/Robinson spurs are really the only time something like this has happened in the lottery era. I know it’s taken me some time to process it, as we’ve not considered Davis part of the team since rich paul-mageddon. I want to say that Davis owes it to himself to see if this could work, but I can’t know what’s in his head. It’s safer as a fan to not get hope up that he can see what’s right there in front of him
the Shaq/penny magic and the Duncan/Robinson spurs are really the only time something like this has happened in the lottery era. I know it’s taken me some time to process it, as we’ve not considered Davis part of the team since rich paul-mageddon. I want to say that Davis owes it to himself to see if this could work, but I can’t know what’s in his head. It’s safer as a fan to not get hope up that he can see what’s right there in front of him
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:57 pm to Crewz
Call me pessimistic but I don’t see AD re-upping after one year of him. Jrue, and Zion.
Just having bad flashes to LeBron with Cleveland both times where he was demanding the franchise cater to his every whim then left them holding their dicks. Twice.
I know it would be selling low to trade AD rather than keep him but I think Griffin made the point himself, this doesn’t really work half in half out.
Just having bad flashes to LeBron with Cleveland both times where he was demanding the franchise cater to his every whim then left them holding their dicks. Twice.
I know it would be selling low to trade AD rather than keep him but I think Griffin made the point himself, this doesn’t really work half in half out.
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