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re: why don't other genre's of music release mixtapes?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:41 pm to Jester
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:41 pm to Jester
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Are either of them considered big players in the mixtape craze?
I listed those as examples of hip hop albums that qualified as "a journey with stops along the way". This was in response to somebody's claim that hip hop was only interested in singles. It was a tangent off the main point.
But in response to your question: I actually have no idea. But probably they were giving stuff away before they made it big. It just wouldn't have been online -- with respecct to outkast and the roots -- because the internet wasn't really around yet.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:42 pm to Jester
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No problem. It's probably the best thing to happen to this abortion of a thread.
I think this is an interesting thread.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:43 pm to CocoLoco
yeah, i agree, but at the same time it gives the artist more songs to perform at concerts which is where the money is, and more music for the fans to listen to, but you're right if they release crap and not quality it's counter productive, BUT some of these mixtape's are legit and i think they raise the artist profile. just like with my new Tyga phase, i keep looking for more and more music to listen too.
rappers say they release mix tapes to "keep the streets buzzing" and i think that it could work the same way in other genres.
if you look at some of the top downloads on datpiff, some are in the millions! Meek Mill's has 3.9 million dl's.
rappers say they release mix tapes to "keep the streets buzzing" and i think that it could work the same way in other genres.
if you look at some of the top downloads on datpiff, some are in the millions! Meek Mill's has 3.9 million dl's.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:47 pm to trillhog
Curren$y is an example of doing mixtapes right. I'm not too into him, but he has a cult like following and they love his very frequent mixtapes.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:50 pm to trillhog
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yeah, i agree, but at the same time it gives the artist more songs to perform at concerts which is where the money is, and more music for the fans to listen to, but you're right if they release crap and not quality it's counter productive, BUT some of these mixtape's are legit and i think they raise the artist profile. just like with my new Tyga phase, i keep looking for more and more music to listen too.
rappers say they release mix tapes to "keep the streets buzzing" and i think that it could work the same way in other genres.
I saw B.o.B in concert in the summer of 2009. B.o.B went on first, and then Asher Roth, and then Kid Cudi. The ONLY thing I remember from that show was the song Satellite by B.o.B. The next day I downloaded all of his mixtapes -- there were five or six of them -- and listened to nothing but B.o.B for the next month or two. He hadn't even put out an album yet and he was one of my favorite artists. There is SOOO much good material on those mixtapes
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:50 pm to bobbyray21
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But probably they were giving stuff away before they made it big. It just wouldn't have been online -- with respecct to outkast and the roots -- because the internet wasn't really around yet.
And unsigned rock bands give out demos all the time. The bottom line: it is MUCH easier to create a rap mix tape with simplistic loops over which non-standard metres are rapped than it is to remix a rock song with numerous instrument tracks and defined metres. Remaking a rock song means re-recording individual tracks rather than changing samples. There is a much more complex arrangement/composition to try to rearrange.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:55 pm to trillhog
It's a lot different for rap than something like rock, let's use the Killers as an example. Or, a solo artist like a Ray Lamontage or John Mayer. For a rock or solo album, music must be created and shaped to sound right. All of the mentioned people put out quality stuff, but it takes them around 2 years and maybe more before the next release.
A rap mixtape could be put together a lot easier, there's no denying that... find samples or create some (I'm no Kanye with it, but I do this all the time to mess around), then do your lyrics over it. Some of it turns out decent, and gives fans something to chew on while waiting for an album. We see this with Lil Wayne often, the guy must have hundreds of songs. But, how many of those are downright awful? I'd say quite a lot. Where as some rappers; Kanye West, Kid Cudi, Eminem, Lupe... guys I think are the top tier of rap music, they take their time. They don't feel the need to show their face every day. They show it when they feel like they have something to say. Unfortunately most rappers don't see it this way, and they feel like they need to be relevant constantly.
Rock/Solo artists overall just care about quality more so than those of this genre.
Some of these rock/solo guys will actually throw in a track they recorded every now and then though. They just will not go all out with some half arse album.
A rap mixtape could be put together a lot easier, there's no denying that... find samples or create some (I'm no Kanye with it, but I do this all the time to mess around), then do your lyrics over it. Some of it turns out decent, and gives fans something to chew on while waiting for an album. We see this with Lil Wayne often, the guy must have hundreds of songs. But, how many of those are downright awful? I'd say quite a lot. Where as some rappers; Kanye West, Kid Cudi, Eminem, Lupe... guys I think are the top tier of rap music, they take their time. They don't feel the need to show their face every day. They show it when they feel like they have something to say. Unfortunately most rappers don't see it this way, and they feel like they need to be relevant constantly.
Rock/Solo artists overall just care about quality more so than those of this genre.
Some of these rock/solo guys will actually throw in a track they recorded every now and then though. They just will not go all out with some half arse album.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:56 pm to Jester
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There is a much more complex arrangement/composition to try to rearrange
dude most of these bands play some cords and a little riff here and the shite ain't rocket science. and most have so many tracks they record and don't release on an album that i think they could do a tape no problems.
anyways, i'm of the opinion that it can be done, they just don't do it for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:00 pm to trillhog
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dude most of these bands play some cords and a little riff here and the shite ain't rocket science
And I'm the one that doesn't know shite about music?
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And most have so many tracks they record and don't release on an album that i think they could do a tape no problems.
Not really. If they do, you usually see a "B-sides" release a few years later.
The closest thing to what you're looking for is called The Desert Sessions. It's basically a bunch of stoners getting together in Joshua Tree and recording an album. That said, many songs from the 10 different Desert Sessions were later used on Queens of the Stone Age albums.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:02 pm to Jester
yeah B-sides would qualify i guess, but they still usually charge for them.
i think i'm on to something, i bet if i launched a datriff website for artist to upload their tunes,would be hot!
i think i'm on to something, i bet if i launched a datriff website for artist to upload their tunes,would be hot!
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:02 pm to CocoLoco
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It's a lot different for rap than something like rock, let's use the Killers as an example. Or, a solo artist like a Ray Lamontage or John Mayer. For a rock or solo album, music must be created and shaped to sound right. All of the mentioned people put out quality stuff, but it takes them around 2 years and maybe more before the next release.
A rap mixtape could be put together a lot easier, there's no denying that... find samples or create some (I'm no Kanye with it, but I do this all the time to mess around), then do your lyrics over it. Some of it turns out decent, and gives fans something to chew on while waiting for an album. We see this with Lil Wayne often, the guy must have hundreds of songs. But, how many of those are downright awful? I'd say quite a lot. Where as some rappers; Kanye West, Kid Cudi, Eminem, Lupe... guys I think are the top tier of rap music, they take their time. They don't feel the need to show their face every day. They show it when they feel like they have something to say. Unfortunately most rappers don't see it this way, and they feel like they need to be relevant constantly.
This is basically a toned down version of the point I've been making.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:05 pm to Jester
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This is basically a toned down version of the point I've been making.
the only point you made is that you don't respect rap as music, and that you're a tool.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:08 pm to trillhog
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the only point you made is that you don't respect rap as music, and that you're a tool.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:11 pm to trillhog
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:51 pm to trillhog
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i think i'm on to something, i bet if i launched a datriff website for artist to upload their tunes,would be hot!
It could work. Prolific songwriters -- for example Ryan Adams, who I very much dislike, but I'll give him props on his ability to write about four songs in a day -- surely have hundreds of unreleased tracks.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:59 pm to Jester
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dude most of these bands play some cords and a little riff here and the shite ain't rocket science
And I'm the one that doesn't know shite about music?
I think he makes a valid point. The legend goes that John Mayer recorded this song in his dorm room at Berklee on a bet that he couldn't rhyme the word orange in a song. You think this took him more than an hour to do?
George's Blues
ETA: During a live show (22 Aug 01) John says:
"So about the time I wrote 'Comfortable', Matt [Mangano] and I were living in the same room, and, we were hanging out and writing songs; that was a time I could write some songs, now I'm just a lazy bastard, but, I'm getting back into it; but anyway, Matt and I were sitting around and playing songs to each other and passing the guitar back and forth and giving each other words to rhyme in a song and improv on, Matt was giving me a word, I did it and handed it back to him and he did a word and handed it back to me and I did a word, and I told him that the word to rhyme was orange, knowing that there wasn't any perfect rhyme for the word orange...and Matt one-upped me anyway. This is the song that he wrote:"
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:10 pm to bobbyray21
Can someone explain the differences between a mixtape and a regular studio album? Some metal magazines and websites put out free compilation albums and Scion puts out a lot of free EPs and some compilations from different bands. I don't know if those count as mixtapes. Jagermeister used to give away compilation cds with songs from all their sponsored bands at the Jager tours.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:26 pm to trillhog
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