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re: Which Springsteen Song is Better?

Posted on 8/26/20 at 11:31 am to
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 11:31 am to
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Am I allowed to say "I'm on Fire" is his best song?

Yes, but you should also decide between the two.
Posted by Allthatfades
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 12:01 pm to
Born in the USA with all the synthesizers sounds dated. Thunder Road is a great song. I even love some of the early recordings/demos of it better:
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Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 12:39 pm to
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Some people consider a bigger hit to be a better song.

And some people view something being a hit as somehow being a strike against a song, instead of judging it on its own. Why? I don't know. Tell me, how expensive was that scarf you bought at urban outfitters before you went to star bucks?
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Springsteen was always better when he was using a variety of instruments during a song. Thunder Road utilizes piano, guitar, harmonica, and sax.


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Honestly Born in the USA sounds like a John Mellencamp song.

I take it you have never listened to lonesome jubilee. Wide variety of instruments used. Wouldn't call it my favorite but it does exist.

As to other posts and the lyrics argument, i am aware that the song is much more than the chorus and it is not pro america. I like the song because it goes beyond what your average vietnam documentary would do. Song tells why he wound up over there and more importantly, what happened when he got home. He fails to get a job, thanks to hate for vietnam vets as well as government policies that have been having a negative impact on manufacturing since the 70s that can be witnessed first hand via driving through most American cities East of the Mississippi.
He gets sent over seas, loses his brother, comes home and the nightmare continues, thanks in part to the same people that started the war. I'm sure many would agree we have problems today, and thus the sad part is the song is still relavent over 30 years later and people still think it is just some classic rock hit and ignore everything outside the chorus.
Anyway, because of its message, I consider it more meaningful than thunder road, and thus prefer it.

You can like thunder road I don't care. Everyone has their favorites, but don't hate on born in the USA just because there is some synthesizers played during it
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 12:59 pm to
They’re gonna tear you apart
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 1:04 pm to
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They’re gonna tear you apart

You really think I care what this board says?
Most are the equivalent of freshman philosophy majors who think because they read a couple pages of Aristotle and Machiavelli they know all when it comes to anything
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 1:05 pm to
Ratings:

Born in the USA
Lyrics: 8/10
Singing: 5/10
Music: 3/10

Thunder Road
Lyrics: 10/10
Singing: 8/10
Music: 9/10
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 1:11 pm to
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Most are the equivalent of freshman philosophy majors who think because they read a couple pages of Aristotle and Machiavelli they know all when it comes to anything


Not everyone is as enlightened as us on the music board.

Thunder Road is just a much better song. Even if Born in the USA had the best lyrics in the world, it’s literally just drums and a synthesizer playing the same melody over and over again.

Thunder Road is a masterpiece because it has progressions. It goes from slow, with piano and harmonica, to faster with piano, harmonica, guitar, and drums. Then the final progression is guitar, sax, and piano. It’s perfect.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 1:47 pm to
Thunder Road, is a much better song.
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 7:38 pm to
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Honestly Born in the USA sounds like a John Mellencamp song.

Likely purposefully so.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 7:51 pm to
It was smart of Springsteen to have the better song first.


Thunder Road and it's not even close.

Posted by DaleGribble
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 10:14 pm to
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Song tells why he wound up over there and more importantly, what happened when he got home. He fails to get a job, thanks to hate for vietnam vets as well as government policies that have been having a negative impact on manufacturing since the 70s that can be witnessed first hand via driving through most American cities East of the Mississippi.


And it was written by a guy that pissed his pants and then headed to Canada to avoid the draft. What does "The Boss" know about Vietnam?
This post was edited on 8/26/20 at 10:16 pm
Posted by TFTC
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Member since May 2010
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:44 am to
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And it was written by a guy that pissed his pants and then headed to Canada to avoid the draft


You don't know what you are talking about. He was drafted and failed his physical, so they sent him home.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 4:35 pm to
Thunder Road, and it's really not even a contest.
Posted by DaleGribble
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 9:27 pm to
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You don't know what you are talking about. He was drafted and failed his physical, so they sent him home.


You're right. It was Ted Nugent that pissed his pants to try to avoid the draft. But Springsteen tried to dodge the draft before he knew that he'd be 4F.

"According to Rolling Stone, Springsteen's "efforts to convince a Newark, New Jersey, selective service board of his abject unsuitability for combat in Vietnam apparently extended to claiming he was both gay and tripping on LSD, but none of it was necessary." In the end, Springsteen was dismissed not for any of those made-up reasons, but because a concussion he had suffered in a motorcycle accident resulted in him failing his physical. He was classified 4F, or unfit for service."

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Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:00 pm to
Rosalita
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:27 pm to
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Honestly Born in the USA sounds like a John Mellencamp song.


Point taken, but let's not go too far. John Cougar Mellencamp is fricking awful...like 'make my skin crawl when I hear one of his songs' kind of awful. Much like Journey, Boston, Styx, or any of that other 80's bullshite.
Posted by Darla Hood
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:55 pm to
Thunder Road, but really, Secret Garden.
Posted by Vote4MikeAck504
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:15 am to
Born In the USA ... mostly for nostalgia reasons and because it was actually a pretty subversive song ala This Land Is Your Land - Woody Guthrie. Reagan conservatives were singing it proudly but the song was a rebuke of Reagan, Trickle Down Economics, union busting etc.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 12:18 am
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:18 am to
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Thunder Road but you are going to get more votes for Springsteen sucks and Springsteen's overrated..


This guys right and Springsteen IS overrated. Nebraska is a good album tho.
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