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Where would you rank Morello all time?
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:25 am
I’m just curious on the MB opinion cause most guitar lists have him in the 25-40 range. It seems criminal.
I just watched the 40 minute RATM album release video at the record store. The guy is so in control at such a young age it’s mezmerizing.
There seemingly is nothing the guy can’t do with a guitar in his hands. He makes everything look so effortless no matter the degree of difficulty.
He’s been the lead instrument on 3 successful mainstream acts now (Rage, Audioslave, Street Sweeper Social Club). He manages to inject genuine musicality into his difficult solos that aren’t just “look at how good I am at guitar”.
Even when he’s not blowing you away with solos like “Promenade” or any number of Rage/Audioslave songs, he can produce some of the most beautiful rifts around like “Be Yourself”, a song that no matter how many times I play it the second the rift hits I’m transported to a place of peace.
He is the total package.
So Music Board, is 25-40 about right? Is the fact he uses all these little extra tricks besides just playing guitar enough to push him that far down the list?
Aside, say what you want about his political views. You may disagree with them, but he is OUT THERE in public and not sitting around. No hyperbole, he may be the most active famous political figure. He’s not running his mouth, he’s out there with the people playing drums on trash cans and such. I massively respect him for that.
I just watched the 40 minute RATM album release video at the record store. The guy is so in control at such a young age it’s mezmerizing.
There seemingly is nothing the guy can’t do with a guitar in his hands. He makes everything look so effortless no matter the degree of difficulty.
He’s been the lead instrument on 3 successful mainstream acts now (Rage, Audioslave, Street Sweeper Social Club). He manages to inject genuine musicality into his difficult solos that aren’t just “look at how good I am at guitar”.
Even when he’s not blowing you away with solos like “Promenade” or any number of Rage/Audioslave songs, he can produce some of the most beautiful rifts around like “Be Yourself”, a song that no matter how many times I play it the second the rift hits I’m transported to a place of peace.
He is the total package.
So Music Board, is 25-40 about right? Is the fact he uses all these little extra tricks besides just playing guitar enough to push him that far down the list?
Aside, say what you want about his political views. You may disagree with them, but he is OUT THERE in public and not sitting around. No hyperbole, he may be the most active famous political figure. He’s not running his mouth, he’s out there with the people playing drums on trash cans and such. I massively respect him for that.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 10:26 am
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Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:20 am to ShamelessPel
I think 25-40 is fine. His use of effects and his style distract I think. Their music in general is taste specific. Love them or hate them.
Is he like The Edge, and what he is physically playing is “easy” but uses a loop and 10 pedals. Or is he Johnny Marr and it’s hard as hell AND he’s using a loop and 10 pedals?
Morello is SO political too. That tends to sway people from his playing. Right or wrong, but it happens.
Is he like The Edge, and what he is physically playing is “easy” but uses a loop and 10 pedals. Or is he Johnny Marr and it’s hard as hell AND he’s using a loop and 10 pedals?
Morello is SO political too. That tends to sway people from his playing. Right or wrong, but it happens.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:44 am to ShamelessPel
25-40 is generous. Take away his effects pedals and there's not much left.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:00 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Is he like The Edge, and what he is physically playing is “easy” but uses a loop and 10 pedals.
Is this common? People equate his guitar prowess to The Edge? Oooof.
Oh well. Agree to disagree I don’t know how much Morello people have watched live, but he’s more than loops and pedals, which is actually a hilariously bad take to me.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:01 pm to ShamelessPel
He’s an awesome rhythm player who uses gimmicks and effects to compensate for a lack of true technical prowess. However, his creativity with those effects really makes him unique and stand out from those legions of 80’s metal shredders that are obviously more technically gifted. I think 25-40 is just about right. I’d love to see Tom in a super group where he plays rhythm guitar and someone more gifted at soloing like Paul Gilbert, Joe Satriani, Slash, or Joe Perry handles the shredding on top of Morello’s absolutely sick grooves.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:27 pm to kingbob
IM curious on your take on this. Let’s assume he lacks the technical prowess you speak of. Why does he drop so far down seeing as he is essentially THE guitarist to fuse technology into his guitar playing to do things that literally no one else is doing? Because people assume that he can’t match some of these guys technically because he uses the technology, he basically is viewed as a hack? (Quoting brosef not you on that one)
To boot, he’s not the one trick pony due to his style that so many of these revered guitarists are that are so technically proficient. Is this really musicians just being elitist?
To boot, he’s not the one trick pony due to his style that so many of these revered guitarists are that are so technically proficient. Is this really musicians just being elitist?
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:28 pm to ShamelessPel
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this common? People equate his guitar prowess to The Edge? Oooof
Just in use of effects really.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:32 pm to ShamelessPel
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THE guitarist to fuse technology into his guitar playing to do things that literally no one else is doing?
Johnny Marr
The Edge
Hell, Hendrix.
Same could be said of those three. I’m sure there are others.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:36 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Hendrix is a GOAT guitar player and he has no where near the tricks at his disposal that morello does this far into the future.
We’re not talking about people who also use tricks. We’re discussing the fact that Morello has perfected the art.
I’m obviously in the minority here, but being the instrumental backbone of two bands like Rage and Audioslave and their different musical stylings. I mean it’s hard to find two rock vocalists different than Cornell and de la Rocha.
We’re not talking about people who also use tricks. We’re discussing the fact that Morello has perfected the art.
I’m obviously in the minority here, but being the instrumental backbone of two bands like Rage and Audioslave and their different musical stylings. I mean it’s hard to find two rock vocalists different than Cornell and de la Rocha.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:46 pm to ShamelessPel
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Hendrix is a GOAT guitar player and he has no where near the tricks at his disposal that morello does this far into the future.
I bring up Hendrix because he took his technology and pushed it. Did things nobody else was doing. But under it all he had Blues. And could wail on the blues. I’m by no means shitting on Morello. Calling him the 35th or so best to ever pick up a guitar isn’t either.
Are there examples of him just playing? Minimal effects? Hell any acoustic?
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:54 pm to ShamelessPel
Its like people saying djs aren't real musicians because all they do is press buttons on a computer. People that use a lot of effects will never be seen as equal to those who don't.
Also if you compare him to other nu metal musicians, or just 90s rock in general, there weren't a lot of virtuosos at any instrument. The 70s and 80s by comparison were full of great musicians. His style is different and unique but I'd still rather hear a great solo than a bunch of effects.
Also if you compare him to other nu metal musicians, or just 90s rock in general, there weren't a lot of virtuosos at any instrument. The 70s and 80s by comparison were full of great musicians. His style is different and unique but I'd still rather hear a great solo than a bunch of effects.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:04 pm to ShamelessPel
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To boot, he’s not the one trick pony due to his style that so many of these revered guitarists are that are so technically proficient. Is this really musicians just being elitist?
He's not the only guitar player to use effects. The only reason he's rated as high as he is is based on creativity. He straight up cannot physically do what literally hundreds, if not thousands of guitar players in touring acts and even garage bands can do. His creativity is the only thing boosting his rating. He straight up doesn't have the speed to be a real soloist. He's rated so high because he absolutely gets the absolute most out of his abilities, but his abilities are incredibly limited. There are probably half a dozen guitarists in garage bands in South Louisiana alone that are more technically gifted than Tom. His gimmicks and creative rhythm licks are what he did to stand out, and they worked. He's basically a less talented Buckethead.
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Also if you compare him to other nu metal musicians, or just 90s rock in general, there weren't a lot of virtuosos at any instrument. The 70s and 80s by comparison were full of great musicians. His style is different and unique but I'd still rather hear a great solo than a bunch of effects.
This is very very true. One of the big takeaways from the grunge revolution was the rise of amateur guitar players going mainstream. The 80's were dominated by classically trained virtuosos. The 90's were a bunch of kids who practically went straight from hitting things in their garage to arenas. They couldn't hang with the guys from the 80's, which is why one of the hallmarks of grunge is less emphasis on guitar solos which were seen as superfluous and masterbatory.
Some of those nu metal guys like Mark Tremonti and Adam Jones could f&%king shred, though. Even Dave "Brown Town" Baksh from Sum 41 could outshred Tom Morello.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:34 pm to kingbob
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He straight up cannot physically do what literally hundreds, if not thousands of guitar players in touring acts and even garage bands can do.
I have no idea how this statement could come out of someone’s mouth that knows so much about music. That is absolutely INSANE.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:43 pm to ShamelessPel
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I have no idea how this statement could come out of someone’s mouth that knows so much about music. That is absolutely INSANE.
I have no idea how anyone who's listened to his catelog can think differently. Tom has admitted to such. That's why he does what he does with his effects. He's masking his deficiencies. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's going to hurt him when he's being compared to people that actually can do sweeps and arpeggios AND use effects creatively.
Do have ANY idea how many absolutely incredible guitar players there really are? The fact that he's ranked as high as he is is a testament to how much I respect Tom. He's personally one of my favorites, but I (and Tom would agree) acknowledge that he's straight up not as talented as a lot of guitar players.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:04 pm to ShamelessPel
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have no idea how this statement could come out of someone’s mouth that knows so much about music. That is absolutely INSANE.
Damn man. Are you one of Tom Morelos kids? You seem pretty invested.
Where would you rank him?
There is a difference in THE GOAT and personal GOATS. Nobody will bash you there.
LED Zepplin is IMO GOAT. But my personal GOAT is Pearl Jam. Mike McCready would laugh in my face if I said I liked their music better though.
I think you are trying to defend your personal GOAT.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:27 pm to ShamelessPel
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successful mainstream acts
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Street Sweeper Social Club
No.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:48 pm to kingbob
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people that actually can do sweeps and arpeggios
Posted on 3/11/18 at 3:35 pm to ShamelessPel
1,000,000 to 200,000,000 He sucks.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 3:46 pm to logjamming
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No.
Saying they weren’t popular at their height is dumb. They basically hit height and bounced.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 3:48 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Damn man. Are you one of Tom Morelos kids? You seem pretty invested
Personal attacks are mature man. I was just trying to understand why this man is not considered better considering his catalog.
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