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Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:04 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:Since nobody answered, I'll answer:
Which songs outside of Helter Skelter are you claiming were "rock attempts"?
Ticket to Ride - the best Beatles song, so by definition, the greatest song of all time
I Feel Fine - I think this is the most Stones-sounding tune they did...and it's spectacular
Drive My Car
Day Tripper
Little Child - even when they're just fricking around, it's bursting with an energy the Stones just don't have
Not a Second time
Twist and Shout - more energy and urgency than almost any Stones song
Taxman
I Saw Her Standing There
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
One After 909 - straight up blues rock, written when they were kids, easily better than the Stones median song
Sergeant Pepper's - more savage guitar than almost any Stones song
A Hard Days Night
Any Time at All
Back in the USSR
Don't Bother Me
Don't Let Me Down
Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for me and My Monkey
Get Back
Glass Onion
Oh Darling
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
+1000
People conveniently forget that during the Beatles early "pop" era, ...63-64, these early tunes were considered edgy and rebellious.
We were leaving the era of doo wop and beach tunes. Also artists like Dion and the Belmonts, Leslie Gore, Chubby Checker, The Shirells...
Imo, Day Tripper was a fu%$#ing rocker!
People conveniently forget that during the Beatles early "pop" era, ...63-64, these early tunes were considered edgy and rebellious.
We were leaving the era of doo wop and beach tunes. Also artists like Dion and the Belmonts, Leslie Gore, Chubby Checker, The Shirells...
Imo, Day Tripper was a fu%$#ing rocker!
Posted on 11/21/25 at 2:51 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
Stones were harder workers that's for sure.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:38 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:
The Stones' 1966-1967 Brian Jones-led pop singles out-did the Beatles.
So now you are trying to find a narrow window in which the Stones were better than the Beatles. Weak. And you'd be wrong anyway. In that window the Beatles put out Revolver and St. Peppers.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 5:57 pm to Tigris
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Revolver and St. Peppers.
Nobody here is right or wrong.
'66-'67 pop period (singles)
Between Revolver and Sgt Pepper, some good content and catchy tunes; but being too avant garde, depressing, and hallucinogenic hurt and dated their singles efforts.
The Stones best gems (up-thread) easily outpointed the Beatles as more memorable, enduring and much fresher 50+ years later to myself and most people.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 6:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
Naah. Not close.
The Beatles for a couple years lost the magic.
The Beatles for a couple years lost the magic.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:01 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Than whom? The Beatles?
Stones were harder workers that's for sure.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:01 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:THOSE years?
Naah. Not close.
The Beatles for a couple years lost the magic.
Posted on 11/21/25 at 9:53 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
quote:
Stones are better than Beatles on every level.
Two completely different bands but both produced genius music. They were both great in their own unique ways. But no other band in history had an evolutionary arc like the Beatles.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 5:50 am to OWLFAN86
Everything the Stones did after 1977 was complete crap. Does this help?
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:01 pm to nealnan8
False
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:33 pm to Kafka
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:48 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:This came out in May 1966, and it is a stunning masterpiece. If the preponderance of the Stones' songs were this good, then we'd have a real discussion at hand.
* Paint It Black
Instead, it's hard not to think they were pushed by The Beatles to try something like this. (sitar, much darker and more thoughtful lyrics, etc.)
It came out between Rubber Soul and Revolver. Again, an extremely game entry into any theoretical competition. However, the production is materially worse than both of those albums.
Just 3 months later, the world got Eleanor Rigby, Tomorrow Never Knows, I'm Only Sleeping and Here, There and Everywhere...on one album.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 8:03 am to Big Scrub TX
Prive me wrong. Stones would record and then go out on the road and deliver killer shows. The Beatles after 1966 could not be bothered with leving the studio. That makes the Rolling Stones "The Hardest Working Band in Show Business"
Show me where they shrugged off touring . Mick, Keith and Ronnie are still touring.
Show me where they shrugged off touring . Mick, Keith and Ronnie are still touring.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 8:53 am to KiwiHead
quote:
Prive me wrong. Stones would record and then go out on the road and deliver killer shows. The Beatles after 1966 could not be bothered with leving the studio.
And proceeded to completely revolutionize the way music was recorded. That was hard work, and quite bold - they were the most popular band in the world and only made themselves more popular. And none of their contemporaries would agree with you. The Beatles were that popular amongst people that also did it for a living, which is why I find these types of arguments silly.
The Stones probably would have broken up and not done exodus if it weren’t for single track recording each instrument. They probably wouldn’t have even done something like Beggars if it weren’t for the Beatles post-touring direction.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:47 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
This [ 'Paint It Black'] came out in May 1966, and it is a stunning masterpiece. If the preponderance of the Stones' songs were this good, then we'd have a real discussion at hand.
Well, the Stones' single pop releases were "this good" (Dandelion, Rainbow, 19th, Mother's Helper, Ruby Tuesday).
The only Beatles pop single from 66-67 that compared favorably with the Stones' pop entries was 'Paperback Writer' (again, imo).
Just a reminder -- the criteria and gist of this thread is 'The Stones pop period', not about the "preponderance of the Stones' songs" as compared to the Beatles.Again, I'm focusing only on 66-67 "pop"of course.
quote:
Instead, it's hard not to think they were pushed by The Beatles to try something like this. (sitar, much darker and more thoughtful lyrics, etc.)
I agree totally. Between the sitar and ethereal lyrics for sure.Definitely influenced by the Beatles during this period. The Beatles influence many groups in both regards.
Total album content, 66-67? Beatles win easily. Unforgettable, enduring pop classics? Still and always the Stones.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:56 am to hogcard1964
quote:
People conveniently forget that during the Beatles early "pop" era, ...63-64, these early tunes were considered edgy and rebellious.
We were leaving the era of doo wop and beach tunes. Also artists like Dion and the Belmonts, Leslie Gore, Chubby Checker, The Shirells...
Yup.
And what was really amazing about the '65-'68 era pop output that DJs and record producers still managed to integrate pre-Beatles pseudo-doo wop stuff and instrumentals side by side along with the newer "Beatles-sound", modern guitars and baroque pop etc.
'65'-'68' -- what an era for so many different genres existing and being appreciated simultaneously.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:29 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:
'65'-'68' -- what an era for so many different genres existing and being appreciated simultaneously.
Absolutely
I always thought the Beatles album 'Help' worked as a perfect bridge between the Beatles earlier - poppy sound and their psychedelic, experimental era.
They changed everything.
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