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Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:55 pm to JumpingTheShark
quote:Actually same influences for both.
Well who influenced the stones? I’d argue their influences are more influential. In a lot of cases it’s southern blues, soul music and other music genres with southern roots. Which I find really coo
In Keith's own words.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 1:55 pm to awestruck
quote:I don't go by only record sales. Zep outsold the Beatles (thanks to an expanded market) but their influence outside metal was minor, and outside music was virtually non-existent.
Record sales alone they tripled the Stones
As I said before IMHO David Bowie was one of the most influential figures in rock history, and he never approached Zep's sales.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:01 pm to Kafka
You got a link for sales?
Link in that post tends to disagree.
Link in that post tends to disagree.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:04 pm to genuineLSUtiger
They're almost like the beatles
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:08 pm to awestruck
quote:I'm pretty sure that in the '70s, Zep sold more albums than the Beatles had when they were together in the '60s -- or more precisely, more copies per album. Albums didn't really start to sell big until the late '60s.
You got a link for sales?
Link in that post tends to disagree
The Beatles sold far more singles than LZ did.
IIRC at one point when one of their albums was newly released, Zep was selling 25K copies per hour.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:23 pm to awestruck
quote:out of my arse
Just curious where your figures were coming from?
i heard the 25K per hour bit in the '80s
quote:That would be my guess, but I don't know anything about Zep's post-'70s sales figures. All I know is I'm the only person on this board who doesn't like them, but plenty of people here hate The Beatles.
It might be one's sales are still going stronger that the others
No mention of the most interesting stat on that page?
quote:
THE BEATLES
Certification Units: 183
GARTH BROOKS
Certification Units: 156
ELVIS PRESLEY
Certification Units: 146.5
EAGLES
Certification Units: 120
LED ZEPPELIN
Certification Units: 111.5
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:27 pm to Kafka
quote:
the '70s, Zep sold more albums than the Beatles had when they were together in the '60s
Album sales should be adjusted for inflation. More albums were made for purchase in the 70s than in the 60s.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:30 pm to SEClint
quote:I'm not talking about money. I mean copies of albums.quote:Album sales should be adjusted for inflation. More albums were made for purchase in the 70s than in the 60s.
the '70s, Zep sold more albums than the Beatles had when they were together in the '60s
LZ sold more albums b/c more people bought albums. They were never really as "popular", as part of the culture, as The Beatles had been.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:41 pm to Kafka
quote:Yep, that one got me as well.
GARTH BROOKS
Certification Units: 156
Wasn't really denying your figures... mostly guessing a different site would have different numbers. Actually I find it pretty amusing that we'd consider either band as being in a vacuum and not influencing each other. The way McCartney and Brian Wilson did. They each were pulse beat one and two to each other, with other notables also keeping beat to the times. Why think Jimmy Page as prior session musician would be any different? Music has always been about taking from before, adding to, and the next crop doing the same. It's more a matter of who you're borrowing from and if you'll admit it.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:42 pm to SEClint
Believe those figures were for unit's... not dollars.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 2:43 pm to Kafka
quote:me too.
I'm not talking about money. I mean copies of albums.
As decades progressed more copies of albums were made upon releases.
Because they saw from bands like the Beatles, they needed more copies. Had they not sold out, more would have been sold upon release.
More homes had ways of playing music in the 70s than the 60s. Then in the 80s..the format changed and you could bring you music with you in cassette form. More were sold in this decade cause of this, and so on.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:25 pm to genuineLSUtiger
I agree
No Stones, and none of those bands that came to America during the 2nd and 3rd waves of the British Invasion would have still been playing in garages.
They were the most influential rock band ever.
No Stones, and none of those bands that came to America during the 2nd and 3rd waves of the British Invasion would have still been playing in garages.
They were the most influential rock band ever.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:44 pm to genuineLSUtiger
frick no. It’s the Beatles and there is no argument. It doesn’t matter what you think about the Beatles but they will likely always be the most influential rock band.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:14 pm to SUB
quote:
It doesn’t matter what you think about the Beatles but they will likely always be the most influential band.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:11 pm to musick
And yet, whether it’s the Beatles, The Stones or Led Zeppelin, every surviving member of those respective groups will tell you to this day that they all had the same single overriding influence: Elvis Presley.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:42 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Lonnie Donegan is more influential than the Stones. He pretty much made the Stones, Beatles and Zeppelin possible. And Donegan got his sound from Lead Belly.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:17 pm to Kafka
quote:
Roger McGuinn of The Byrds cites the Beatles cutting Buck Owens' "Act Naturally" as influencing his own decision to explore country music, which would result in hiring Gram Parsons for the seminal album Sweetheart of the Rodeo. The Byrds' influence still resonates today w/Americana and alt.country. And you can trace it one step further back to the Beatles.
That's digging deep for the facts. Good post.
PS: Could easily put Sweeheart of The Rodeo in the favorite or best album threads.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 10:30 pm to genuineLSUtiger
love the stones, like most people.
not only are they not influential, they may be the most influenced classic rock band of all time
not only are they not influential, they may be the most influenced classic rock band of all time
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