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L1C4
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The British invasion
Why were the British bands so much better than American bands in the 60's


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re: The British invasion
They were trying to copy the American bands. Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Little Richard, Elvis, the girl bands, et.al., were inspirational to the Brits, then the Beatles, but the mid 60s American bands said "frick it, we're going to do our thing" and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young were born, along with the other Laurel Canyon groups/people, who built upon what the Brits built.

Then they fed off each other. But the Brits had the raw trauma of WWII to tap into and that gave their songs an emotional edge, even if they weren't necessarily singing about WWII.

The Brits were raw, the accents different, the guys barbered to be attractive but their music was built on the 50s stuff. They sort of forced the Americans to get better. Then Clapton, Led Zep, The Who...they got creative, and their American counterparts got better.

The Beatles set the standard, however. EVERYONE was trying to emulate them, throughout the 60s. And they failed. They and the Stones were the only Brits to really stand out the most, IMHO. At least right now, to me.


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When the Beatles hit America the difference was not so much in bands as in audiences. The white US audience was predominantly female and wanted softer, more romantic music, as they invariably do in any era. It was this audience the Brill Building supplied.

In Britain rock was pretty much ignored by the BBC, so UK fans had to get their music through other sources like Radio Luxembourg, which often played a harder sound. As a result the UK developed a tasted for harder rock and R&B.

The Beatles played to this audience in the UK and built up an audience for the same music in the US. Even the best stuff on US radio at the time was generally smoother, such as the Brill Building sound, the Beach Boys' power pop and the smoother soul of Motown.

It took some time for the American music business to catch up to the new sound, as garage bands and prom acts were signed to deals to make records like Wooly Bully and Hang On Sloopy, and folkies like McGuinn, Hillman, Clark, and Crosby formed bands like the Byrds.

By the end of 1965 thing with the rise of folk rock, bluesier R&B, and even the first rumblings of psychedelia, things were more on an equal basis between the Empire and her former colony.


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GentleJackJones
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Why were the British bands so much better than American bands in the 60's


60's? What about the 90's?

Oasis, The Stone Roses, Pulp, Supergrass, Blur, The Charlatans, and so on were much better than the shite Seattle produced.


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L1C4
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re: The British invasion
I think the Everly brothers were a big influence on the Beatles



rebelrouser
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re: The British invasion
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison all dying didn't help.


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ItzMe1972
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The following is a list of bands and artists that were involved with the British Invasion music phenomenon that occurred between 1964 and 1966 in the United States.

The Animals
The Beatles
Cilla Black
Chad & Jeremy
The Dave Clark Five
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich
Petula Clark
The Spencer Davis Group
Donovan
Adam Faith
Marianne Faithfull
Georgie Fame
Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders
The Fortunes
The Fourmost
Freddie and the Dreamers
Gerry and the Pacemakers
Herman's Hermits
The Hollies
The Honeycombs
The Hullaballoos
The Ivy League
Tom Jones
Jonathan King
The Kinks
Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas
Lulu
Manfred Mann
The Merseybeats
The Moody Blues
The Nashville Teens
Peter and Gordon
The Pretty Things
The Rolling Stones
The Searchers
Sandie Shaw
Small Faces
Dusty Springfield
Crispian St. Peters
The Swinging Blue Jeans
Them
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
The Undertakers
Ian Whitcomb
The Who
The Yardbirds
The Zombies

What an Invasion!
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L1C4
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re: The British invasion
That's a lot of talent.


Kafka
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That's a lot of talent
Some were one hit wonders.

Others never really "invaded" at all. I'm pretty sure The Small Faces never toured the US (and had only one hit here) and I doubt if The Fourmost, The Ivy League, The Merseybeats, The Undertakers (who weren't even all that big in the UK -- lead singer Jackie Lomax would later record for Apple, owned by fellow Liverpudlians), The Hullaballoos, The Pretty Things, and Dave Dee, Dozy, etc ever did either.


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Kafka
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I think the Everly brothers were a big influence on the Beatles
I think they called themselves The FourEverlys at one point (John loved puns)

Buddy Holly was also another major influence, w/the lead/rhythm/bass/drums set up and "in house" songwriting making the band a self-contained unit (BION, an unusual idea in the '50s).

Brian Wilson once said he couldn't believe no one though to combine harmony vocals with a Chick Berry beat before him. Both Holly and the Everly tried this style, though it was the Beach Boys and the Beatles who really took off with it. The difference was the BBs recalled the cleancut singing of doowop, while the Beatles were more into the rougher sound of R&B.


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re: The British invasion
Still some of my favorite artists on that list


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kingbob
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re: The British invasion
The Brit bands were copying the black bands that american radio stations wouldn’t play. White radio producers were still pushing big band crooners, doo-wap, elvis, and modern jazz. British bands came in riffing on Wilson Pickett, Buddy Guy, Little Richard, and Ike Turner and those radio stations gave them airplay because they were more “palatable”.


GreenRockTiger
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Buddy Holly


The Brits do love Buddy Holly - when I went to England on a school trip in the ‘90s they took us to a play about Buddy Holly.

Here’s a Wikipedia article about it, if you’re interested:

Buddy


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Mike Joyce
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re: The British invasion
The limeys suck and their music is overrated. If I were to name my top 50 acts I doubt a Brit band would get close.

They can’t sing for shite.


Zappas Stache
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re: The British invasion
Go read about skiffle music in the UK and it will help you understand why.


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ItzMe1972
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Googling some of the lesser know and instantly recognize their music.

The Tremelos - Silence is Golden & Here Comes My Baby

Wayne Fontana & Mindbenders -Game of Love

I do remember Crispian St. Peters' Hit -Pied Piper


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ItzMe1972
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Vintage Footage from the era:

Eric Burdon and the Animals: Monterey

LINK


P.S. Eric was The Eggman the Beatles sang about.


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DeltaTigerDelta
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re: The British invasion
The Sir Douglas Quintet (from San Antonio) supposedly came up with their name to sound British.


midlothianlsu
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re: The British invasion
San Francisco band Beau Brummell did the same thing, taking their name from a British guy. Trivia note their hit Laugh Laugh was produced by Sly Stone.


Zappas Stache
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The Sir Douglas Quintet (from San Antonio) supposedly came up with their name to sound British.




At the suggestion of their producer, The Crazy Cajun, Huey P. Meaux from Wright, LA.


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