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The British invasionPosted by L1C4 
on 2/14/21 at 6:00 pm
on 2/14/21 at 6:00 pm
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4Why were the British bands so much better than American bands in the 60's
They were trying to copy the American bands. Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Little Richard, Elvis, the girl bands, et.al., were inspirational to the Brits, then the Beatles, but the mid 60s American bands said "frick it, we're going to do our thing" and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young were born, along with the other Laurel Canyon groups/people, who built upon what the Brits built.
Then they fed off each other. But the Brits had the raw trauma of WWII to tap into and that gave their songs an emotional edge, even if they weren't necessarily singing about WWII.
The Brits were raw, the accents different, the guys barbered to be attractive but their music was built on the 50s stuff. They sort of forced the Americans to get better. Then Clapton, Led Zep, The Who...they got creative, and their American counterparts got better.
The Beatles set the standard, however. EVERYONE was trying to emulate them, throughout the 60s. And they failed. They and the Stones were the only Brits to really stand out the most, IMHO. At least right now, to me.
Then they fed off each other. But the Brits had the raw trauma of WWII to tap into and that gave their songs an emotional edge, even if they weren't necessarily singing about WWII.
The Brits were raw, the accents different, the guys barbered to be attractive but their music was built on the 50s stuff. They sort of forced the Americans to get better. Then Clapton, Led Zep, The Who...they got creative, and their American counterparts got better.
The Beatles set the standard, however. EVERYONE was trying to emulate them, throughout the 60s. And they failed. They and the Stones were the only Brits to really stand out the most, IMHO. At least right now, to me.
When the Beatles hit America the difference was not so much in bands as in audiences. The white US audience was predominantly female and wanted softer, more romantic music, as they invariably do in any era. It was this audience the Brill Building supplied.
In Britain rock was pretty much ignored by the BBC, so UK fans had to get their music through other sources like Radio Luxembourg, which often played a harder sound. As a result the UK developed a tasted for harder rock and R&B.
The Beatles played to this audience in the UK and built up an audience for the same music in the US. Even the best stuff on US radio at the time was generally smoother, such as the Brill Building sound, the Beach Boys' power pop and the smoother soul of Motown.
It took some time for the American music business to catch up to the new sound, as garage bands and prom acts were signed to deals to make records like Wooly Bully and Hang On Sloopy, and folkies like McGuinn, Hillman, Clark, and Crosby formed bands like the Byrds.
By the end of 1965 thing with the rise of folk rock, bluesier R&B, and even the first rumblings of psychedelia, things were more on an equal basis between the Empire and her former colony.
In Britain rock was pretty much ignored by the BBC, so UK fans had to get their music through other sources like Radio Luxembourg, which often played a harder sound. As a result the UK developed a tasted for harder rock and R&B.
The Beatles played to this audience in the UK and built up an audience for the same music in the US. Even the best stuff on US radio at the time was generally smoother, such as the Brill Building sound, the Beach Boys' power pop and the smoother soul of Motown.
It took some time for the American music business to catch up to the new sound, as garage bands and prom acts were signed to deals to make records like Wooly Bully and Hang On Sloopy, and folkies like McGuinn, Hillman, Clark, and Crosby formed bands like the Byrds.
By the end of 1965 thing with the rise of folk rock, bluesier R&B, and even the first rumblings of psychedelia, things were more on an equal basis between the Empire and her former colony.
re: The British invasionPosted by GentleJackJones 
on 2/14/21 at 6:30 pm to L1C4
on 2/14/21 at 6:30 pm to L1C4quote:
Why were the British bands so much better than American bands in the 60's
60's? What about the 90's?
Oasis, The Stone Roses, Pulp, Supergrass, Blur, The Charlatans, and so on were much better than the shite Seattle produced.
re: The British invasionPosted by rebelrouser on 2/14/21 at 7:04 pm to L1C4
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison all dying didn't help.
The following is a list of bands and artists that were involved with the British Invasion music phenomenon that occurred between 1964 and 1966 in the United States.
The Animals
The Beatles
Cilla Black
Chad & Jeremy
The Dave Clark Five
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich
Petula Clark
The Spencer Davis Group
Donovan
Adam Faith
Marianne Faithfull
Georgie Fame
Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders
The Fortunes
The Fourmost
Freddie and the Dreamers
Gerry and the Pacemakers
Herman's Hermits
The Hollies
The Honeycombs
The Hullaballoos
The Ivy League
Tom Jones
Jonathan King
The Kinks
Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas
Lulu
Manfred Mann
The Merseybeats
The Moody Blues
The Nashville Teens
Peter and Gordon
The Pretty Things
The Rolling Stones
The Searchers
Sandie Shaw
Small Faces
Dusty Springfield
Crispian St. Peters
The Swinging Blue Jeans
Them
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
The Undertakers
Ian Whitcomb
The Who
The Yardbirds
The Zombies
What an Invasion!
The Animals
The Beatles
Cilla Black
Chad & Jeremy
The Dave Clark Five
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich
Petula Clark
The Spencer Davis Group
Donovan
Adam Faith
Marianne Faithfull
Georgie Fame
Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders
The Fortunes
The Fourmost
Freddie and the Dreamers
Gerry and the Pacemakers
Herman's Hermits
The Hollies
The Honeycombs
The Hullaballoos
The Ivy League
Tom Jones
Jonathan King
The Kinks
Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas
Lulu
Manfred Mann
The Merseybeats
The Moody Blues
The Nashville Teens
Peter and Gordon
The Pretty Things
The Rolling Stones
The Searchers
Sandie Shaw
Small Faces
Dusty Springfield
Crispian St. Peters
The Swinging Blue Jeans
Them
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
The Undertakers
Ian Whitcomb
The Who
The Yardbirds
The Zombies
What an Invasion!
This post was edited on 2/14 at 7:54 pm
quote:Some were one hit wonders.
That's a lot of talent
Others never really "invaded" at all. I'm pretty sure The Small Faces never toured the US (and had only one hit here) and I doubt if The Fourmost, The Ivy League, The Merseybeats, The Undertakers (who weren't even all that big in the UK -- lead singer Jackie Lomax would later record for Apple, owned by fellow Liverpudlians), The Hullaballoos, The Pretty Things, and Dave Dee, Dozy, etc ever did either.
quote:I think they called themselves The FourEverlys at one point (John loved puns)
I think the Everly brothers were a big influence on the Beatles
Buddy Holly was also another major influence, w/the lead/rhythm/bass/drums set up and "in house" songwriting making the band a self-contained unit (BION, an unusual idea in the '50s).
Brian Wilson once said he couldn't believe no one though to combine harmony vocals with a Chick Berry beat before him. Both Holly and the Everly tried this style, though it was the Beach Boys and the Beatles who really took off with it. The difference was the BBs recalled the cleancut singing of doowop, while the Beatles were more into the rougher sound of R&B.
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The Brit bands were copying the black bands that american radio stations wouldn’t play. White radio producers were still pushing big band crooners, doo-wap, elvis, and modern jazz. British bands came in riffing on Wilson Pickett, Buddy Guy, Little Richard, and Ike Turner and those radio stations gave them airplay because they were more “palatable”.
re: The British invasionPosted by GreenRockTiger 
on 2/15/21 at 12:04 am to Kafka
on 2/15/21 at 12:04 am to Kafkaquote:
Buddy Holly
The Brits do love Buddy Holly - when I went to England on a school trip in the ‘90s they took us to a play about Buddy Holly.
Here’s a Wikipedia article about it, if you’re interested:
Buddy
re: The British invasionPosted by Mike Joyce on 2/15/21 at 9:57 am to L1C4
The limeys suck and their music is overrated. If I were to name my top 50 acts I doubt a Brit band would get close.
They can’t sing for shite.
They can’t sing for shite.
re: The British invasionPosted by Zappas Stache on 2/15/21 at 11:16 am to L1C4
on 2/15/21 at 11:16 am to L1C4Go read about skiffle music in the UK and it will help you understand why.
re: The British invasionPosted by ItzMe1972 on 2/15/21 at 1:14 pm to Mike Joyce
on 2/15/21 at 1:14 pm to Mike JoyceVintage Footage from the era:
Eric Burdon and the Animals: Monterey
LINK
P.S. Eric was The Eggman the Beatles sang about.
Eric Burdon and the Animals: Monterey
LINK
P.S. Eric was The Eggman the Beatles sang about.
re: The British invasionPosted by DeltaTigerDelta on 2/15/21 at 1:38 pm to L1C4
on 2/15/21 at 1:38 pm to L1C4The Sir Douglas Quintet (from San Antonio) supposedly came up with their name to sound British.
re: The British invasionPosted by midlothianlsu on 2/16/21 at 5:00 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
on 2/16/21 at 5:00 pm to DeltaTigerDeltaSan Francisco band Beau Brummell did the same thing, taking their name from a British guy. Trivia note their hit Laugh Laugh was produced by Sly Stone.
re: The British invasionPosted by Zappas Stache on 2/16/21 at 5:11 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
on 2/16/21 at 5:11 pm to DeltaTigerDeltaquote:
The Sir Douglas Quintet (from San Antonio) supposedly came up with their name to sound British.
At the suggestion of their producer, The Crazy Cajun, Huey P. Meaux from Wright, LA.
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