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Recs for which string instrument to try
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:49 am
I want to try to learn violin, viola or cello.
Any thoughts?
Ease of playing?
I don’t expect to become an expert.
Just love the sounds.
Any thoughts?
Ease of playing?
I don’t expect to become an expert.
Just love the sounds.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:21 am to Tigertown in ATL
I think I would go with cello. love the sound of it.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:24 am to Tigertown in ATL
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I want to try to learn violin, viola or cello.
Violin and viola (to my knowledge) are largely the same discipline, although there are subtle (and not so subtle) differences.
Viola is alto clef as one example. Cello is bass clef and otherwise more similar to an upright bass or even bass guitar than the smaller instruments (although one typically does bow the cello). If you already know how to play guitar or bass, my gut instinct is the transition to cello would be easier than to the smaller instruments.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:25 am to Ace Midnight
Hmm. Good info.
I play guitar poorly but have never read bass clef music.
I play guitar poorly but have never read bass clef music.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:00 pm to Tigertown in ATL
quote:
Hmm. Good info.
I play guitar poorly but have never read bass clef music.
Cello is roughly the same range as the guitar. The low E on a guitar is a major third above the lowest string on a cello (guitar music is written an octave above the sounding pitch to keep it all in the treble clef).
There are several key differences between guitar and cello. Other than the bowing, the main will be tuning and playing position. The cello, like the violin and viola, is tuned in open fifths (cello and viola are C, G, D, A an octave apart; violin is G, D, A, E). The bass, upright and electric, is tuned in fourths: E, A, D, G, as are the lowest 4 strings on a guitar in standard. This is a non-trivial difference.
Violas primarily read alto clef. Cellos usually read bass, although if the music goes into certain ranges, they will switch to tenor a or even treble (neither of which you are likely to encounter as a beginner). Violin is always in treble.
If you know mandolin, its standard tuning is the exact same as the violin (in 5ths). (mandola= viola, mandocello= cello)
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:33 pm to johnqpublic
I think you need to price a good cello before you commit yourself to getting one. The cheapest of the cheap will start at a grand.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:37 pm to johnqpublic
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The cello, like the violin and viola, is tuned in open fifths (cello and viola are C, G, D, A an octave apart; violin is G, D, A, E)
That makes the chord structures pretty easy to learn, but I'm thinking, that aint really the hard part about playing those instruments.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 5:07 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Ukulele
You can play anything with just a uke and no shortage of instructional videos online
You can play anything with just a uke and no shortage of instructional videos online
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:25 am to auggie
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That makes the chord structures pretty easy to learn, but I'm thinking, that aint really the hard part about playing those instruments.
Actually, it makes the 5ths in chord structures very difficult. Double stopped 5ths are difficult to do in tune as your fingers have to be in exactly the same spot on two adjacent strings and there are no frets to help you. So any movement of the finger out of position makes the note go sharp or flat. I know you can use a barre on cello but not sure about the violin or viola. There is also the fact that the fingerboard on these instruments is a much smaller radius than guitar or electric bass. A Cello's fingerboard radius is about 70 mm (3 in) which makes a 7.25in guitar neck radius seem almost flat.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:30 am to TheFretShack
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The cheapest of the cheap will start at a grand.
Amazon has one, admittedly super cheap, for $176. $187 if you want it in blue
Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:19 am to johnqpublic
I know that they don't have frets, and placement is a little harder to learn. On the cello in particular, considering the playing position, I think a player would be using their thumb on the 3rd and 4th string a lot to make it easier, hell I use my thumb on the top strings on guitar, about as much as I use my fingers, it would have to be easier on a neck that small.
I play guitar with a lot of different tunings, so that string layout is simple to me for building chords. Like I said though, and the point that I'm really trying to make, that's not the hard part of learning an instrument that is played with a bow. Learning to use that bow is the hard part IMO. It's not just upstroke and downstroke like a guitar, you have to constantly adjust your bow angle and learn to keep complicated rhythm while doing that. A guitar is easy compared to that.
I bought a cheap fiddle back a few years ago and tried to learn to play it..for about 30 minutes, then I made it into a lamp. I knew that learning that bow was going to be something that was going to take too much time. It made a cool lamp though.
I play guitar with a lot of different tunings, so that string layout is simple to me for building chords. Like I said though, and the point that I'm really trying to make, that's not the hard part of learning an instrument that is played with a bow. Learning to use that bow is the hard part IMO. It's not just upstroke and downstroke like a guitar, you have to constantly adjust your bow angle and learn to keep complicated rhythm while doing that. A guitar is easy compared to that.
I bought a cheap fiddle back a few years ago and tried to learn to play it..for about 30 minutes, then I made it into a lamp. I knew that learning that bow was going to be something that was going to take too much time. It made a cool lamp though.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:26 am to auggie
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Amazon has one, admittedly super cheap, for $176. $187 if you want it in blue
I guess I need to clarify. If price is the object, Wish has a cello for about $115.
I'm know to dabble a little in wooden, stringed instruments. None of my tonewood suppliers price rough-sawn, non-dried raw plank packages for one good quality cello for under $200.
If value is the object, a cello that will be built well out of nice materials, that will play well, sound well, and last, and retain some value on the used market, plan to spend about a grand.
You might find a quality reputable student cello for $500 or so in the internet classifieds if you shop patiently. Keep in mind shipping a bargain cello sourced several states away means a big, delicate and EXPENSIVE parcel if you don't plan to go pick it up.
Worth noting ... part of the reason I named my shop "The Fret Shack" was to steer away band and orchestra repair inquiries. The lion's share of B&O work in most repair shops is parents who got their kids bargain instruments that break constantly or won't hold tuning, and they don't understand the crux of the problems is a junk instrument to begin with. Then they flip when the costs of repair - if it's even feasible - exceeds what they paid for the instrument. Guys like me can heal the sick but we can't raise the dead.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:32 am to Tigertown in ATL
My only experience here is as a fan of strings and a couple sloppy years half-assing the violin.
But I think there are some practical considerations. From a logistics perspective, cello will be harder. Larger, less mobile, fewer players, etc. Probably less versatile, but I love the cello.
I suspect sucking at the cello will be more pleasant to those around you (and you) than sucking at the violin.
But I think there are some practical considerations. From a logistics perspective, cello will be harder. Larger, less mobile, fewer players, etc. Probably less versatile, but I love the cello.
I suspect sucking at the cello will be more pleasant to those around you (and you) than sucking at the violin.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:51 am to Pettifogger
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I suspect sucking at the cello will be more pleasant to those around you (and you) than sucking at the violin.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 2:21 am to Tigertown in ATL
Not that'd I know...
... however that's doesn't usually stop me. I'm guessing the violin would not only be the cheapest (acceptable) fret-less instrument to experiment with, it'd also be the easiest to find good instruction for. And then once seeing if you have an ear for it** you might branch out from there. Plus there's a really wide range or style of violin music to sink your teeth into before specializing and re-branching out again. Which to me makes both the viola and cello something your more drawn to or gravitate toward.
*eta: a non fretted instrument
... however that's doesn't usually stop me. I'm guessing the violin would not only be the cheapest (acceptable) fret-less instrument to experiment with, it'd also be the easiest to find good instruction for. And then once seeing if you have an ear for it** you might branch out from there. Plus there's a really wide range or style of violin music to sink your teeth into before specializing and re-branching out again. Which to me makes both the viola and cello something your more drawn to or gravitate toward.
*eta: a non fretted instrument
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 6:22 am
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