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Pickguard question for Fret and the Boys.

Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:19 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:19 am
I posted that I recently bought a 1973 D35. I the guitar and I are growing fond of each other I go to it the most.

Already had a pro reset the saddle which was lifting. Many homemade jobs were done to this guitar. Waist binding on the little e side on the back of the guitar (what’s on your lap when seated) was repaired but ugly. To my guys credit he said paraphrasing “yeah it’s ugly but solid. There is a crack repaired also. I can’t cleat it because it’s solid and I’d make another crack probably. Play it til it breaks. I’ll be here.”

Now onto my pickguard. The 1970’s d35 had the thick solid black pickguard. They always potato chip up and need replacement. Mine is no different. But another homemade jobs done not tht long ago it appears. Also used a crappy 5 buck pickguard precut in China probably. You can see a “tan line” and the radius of the guard does not match the rosette.

I’d love to buy a nice pickguard probably black to keep original. But more quality. Then wondering what all is involved in removal and replacing?

Myself. And the work involved. Not scared of tedious work. Just scared of shitty work.

Luthier. I will ask him but what will the job run. I believe I see a small crack peaking out from under on the outer edge of the guard. Not the “b-string crack” more lateral and outside of the bridge margins.

I’m not cleating a crack myself. That job goes to a shop for me.

It’s a fairly new pickguard replacement. Guessing 2010 or better.

I’ve begun to ramble.

Thanks for the advice in advance.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 3:59 pm to
I would tape up around the pickguard very well, to protect the top, Maybe even use some aluminum foil, then apply heat to the guard gradually, using a clothes iron on top of a washcloth. Keep testing for when the adhesive lets go. You don't want more heat than is required.
If you think you will continue to do this kind of stuff, look for the small electric irons with the shovel handle on it.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 7:42 pm to
Best place to buy a good replacement pickguard?

Also, side tangent. This guitar is a 1973 Martin and has zero “crazing” on it. I do not feel I have a fake. I question if it has been refinished. It has pick scratches that IMO that are consistent with an old finger picker. Like harsh metal thumb picks.

Again no crazing? Weird or over thinking?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 7:58 pm to
reverb
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:14 pm to
You cannot use a precut OTC pickguard to do this job correctly. You need someone with experience to remove the current guard, trace the footprint needed, cut and bevel the new guard, and install it.

Most 70s Martins I see that have been reasonably cared for have their original factory finishes and no finish checking.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66347 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:34 pm to
I love this guy's pickguards, not sure he does black but he makes good stuff.

WJ Watson

Holter is pretty popular, they're on Facebook. Both would fall into more of a custom category though.

As for removing a pickguard, I start at the pointed part and pry that up if possible.

If not, apply some heat with a hairdryer but take it easy as you don't want to damage the finish or loosen glue.

A good trick is to get some dental floss, fishing line, or thread, hold it tight between two hands and try to use it to pry up the pickguard.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66347 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:40 pm to
Pickguard I put on my D18, it's a little thicker and more beveled than your standard pickguard.



This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:58 pm to
He doesn't have an original pickguard though, and the inside radius is wrong
That's the kind of crap that bugs the hell out of me.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:17 pm to
That's why I said what I said. Whether the guard is a poorly cut or fit OTC or the original guard (which is an inaccurate template as they typically shrink a mm or so as it curls over time) ... the experienced tech works the actual soundboard footprint to craft the new guard.

Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

cannot use a precut OTC pickguard to do this job correctly. You need someone with experience to remove the current guard, trace the footprint needed, cut and bevel the new guard, and install it.


Thanks. The current guard is wrong so I would assume a guy like you would have templates to go buy for name brand and era. Then trace the rosette radius yourself? I like the dude who did the bridge reglue so I will throw his some more business. Or you could franchise out to Katy? Lol

quote:

Most 70s Martins I see that have been reasonably cared for have their original factory finishes and no finish checking.


Ok. Good to know. Guy apparently cared for it but did his own repairs. Also put a brass nut on it which I think was a trendy thing for the 70’s. That job I will tackle myself. Who would you suggest for a pickguard blank. Solid black but thick enough to bevel. What is on here now is very thin like a cheap kit guitar build pickguard. I’d like to upgrade it with black to keep it correct.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:26 pm to
Love the burst on those martins. That was your stock guard from Martin right?
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:38 pm to
The soundboard itself is the template if you want the best fit. You already know too small leaves the tan line. Too large overlaps the lacquer ridge.

I finalize the shape of the rosette arc using a homemade conical drum sanding barrel attachment on my drill press.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:49 pm to
Yeah, I limited my suggestion to removal of the old one.
When I start making one, I start with that rosette diameter and go from there.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:53 pm to
Thanks guys. I now have the confidence to try one myself. But not on my “new” to me vintage Martin.

It hurts that I am vintage? ??
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

It hurts that I am vintage? ??


Maybe for ordering replacement stuff, other than that though, you've got the good stuff.
Posted by Scatback1
Denham
Member since Dec 2021
750 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:36 am to
Fret - Augie - I think I want to remove the pick gaurd from a IBZ Artcore... The tail side is not attached. The gaurd is cut away wher other screws are, etc. I rarely play with a pick.. AND I find that I sturdy my hand on the gaurd often. put if i cach the back of the gaurd.. It gives, and pops.. And I hate it. Not sure if I want to remove it, od just fasten the thing down. Thoughts?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66347 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:15 am to
quote:

Love the burst on those martins. That was your stock guard from Martin right?


No, that's a pickguard I had custom made from WJ Watson.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:40 am to
quote:

No, that's a pickguard I had custom made from WJ Watson.


Show that headstock man!! Who are you!!? Got a sponsorship you’re hiding and won’t show us your headstock. Lol

Very nice. Enjoy.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:43 am to
quote:

Maybe for ordering replacement stuff, other than that though, you've got the good stuff.


True but it hurts my feelings more know that I and all things as old as me are vintage.

Just glad I’m after 1969. Brazilian rosewood is a tad cost prohibitive as you all know.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:12 am to
quote:

Fret - Augie - I think I want to remove the pick gaurd from a IBZ Artcore... The tail side is not attached. The gaurd is cut away wher other screws are, etc. I rarely play with a pick.. AND I find that I sturdy my hand on the gaurd often. put if i cach the back of the gaurd.. It gives, and pops.. And I hate it. Not sure if I want to remove it, od just fasten the thing down. Thoughts?


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