Pearl Jam, Tupac, and Journey to Rock and Roll HoF

am i the only person on the planet that thinks Journey is the most overrated band in the history of Rock?

I just don't get how the hell they got as big as they did and have such a huge cult like following,.

yeah, i am just so over this hall of fame. just change the name to music hall of fame.

At this point there are probably more non rock and roll acts inducted than there are actual rock and roll acts.

Name should be changed from Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame to the Music Hall of Fame.

Yep, we can't have anything nice.

It's the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame. It should only has "Rock and Roll" acts inducted.

Let Madonna be in the "Pop Music" Hall.

Let Tupac be in the "Hip Hop" Hall.

Country music has it's Hall.

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am i the only person on the planet that thinks Journey is the most overrated band in the history of Rock?

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You're not. I get it. I also went and saw them in concert 7 or 8 years ago and had very low expectations, but they were very unassuming and sounded great. It was them, Cheap Trick, and Heart, and I thought Cheap Trick was the worst that night.

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How could some people gather around a table and say "yes, I cast my vote to let west coast rapper Tupac Shakur into the rock and roll HOF"?

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Maybe this is better suited for the Poliboard, but this is stupid, silly white guilt - nothing else. Black pioneers of rock and roll got ripped off, so this is some sort of misguided payback. Plenty of black artists belong in the rock hall of fame:

Fats Domino

Little Richard

Chuck Berry

Jimi Hendrix

A good bit of the Funk movement, Sly, Parliament/Funkadelic (Clinton as an individual, as well) - some of the 70s R&B might qualify - EWF, Commodores - certainly the Funk-influenced Minneapolis sound guys, notably Prince - but then black artists largely abandoned rock and roll by the 1980s, with only the occasional splash by a Lenny Kravitz, Living Colour, Robert Cray, Lajon Witherspoon (Sevendust), and so forth.

Now, among the Hip Hop/Rap acts - I think - other than crossovers (Beastie Boys), Run DMC is a legit candidate for the Rock HOF - the rest? I just don't think so.

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Black pioneers of rock and roll got ripped off, so this is some sort of misguided payback. Plenty of black artists belong in the rock hall of fame:

Fats Domino

Little Richard

Chuck Berry

Jimi Hendrix

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so why not just let those folks in instead of picking a black musical artist at random?

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Nile Rodgers will be given the Award For Musical Excellence.

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Someone school me on Johnny Cash being rock and roll.

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I think Johnny Cash was around when rock and roll was in its infancy. Crossover wasn't even a word yet, but he would have been a crossover. Buddy Holly as well. I could see country fans listening to Buddy Holly. I know my dad did. Elvis is the King and he had country crossover.

Just glad Pearl Jam got in. So I didn't have to bitch on every one of these threads about their absence being a travesty.

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They deserve to be in there no more than Tupac does.

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Meh - I see a stronger argument for the Beastie Boys - and beyond skin color by the way.

An, just FTR, Tupac is an example of a guy that I hold up as a legitimate genius coming out of the Hip Hop movement - and I'm generally dismissive of the genre as a whole. Lyrically, Tupac had A LOT to say and chose people to work with that had a fairly good feel for music. The music was still largely repetitive, derivative and over-relies on samples, but hell, at least they were trying back then.

And, regardless, not rock and roll.