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re: Led Zeppelin: The Most Influential Band In History

Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:20 am to
Posted by JohnZeroQ
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:20 am to
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There were a ton of lawsuits against them even back then.
Explains why they partied then.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:29 am to
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A tiny little genre called Rock.



And metal


negative on both counts.
Posted by Loubacca
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:32 am to
The Stones have done the same thing as LZ when it comes to copying songs, lyrics, etc. Keith Richards admits it in his book. The Stones just gave more credit where credit was due. Richards talked about how they brought music that existed for years in America into the mainstream. They weren't doing anything new, but they did cover multiple genres and they did it very well.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:37 am to
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led zeppelin stole a lot of their songs from various other bands



so did jimi hendrixx and made them better.

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I love LZ, but I'd have to disagree that they are the most influential band in history, that would be the beatles.



not like a baton rouge music critic's opinion really matters.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:45 am to
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not like a baton rouge music critic's opinion really matters.


I favor the truth. Led zeppelin didn't invent rock and roll
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:47 am to
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so did jimi hendrixx and made them better.


It would be like as if jimi did all along the watch tower and claimed it as his own song

Early LZ was a cover band that didn't get the rights for the songs they did
Posted by Burt Reynolds
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:52 am to
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Early LZ was a cover band that didn't get the rights for the songs they did





are you talking about the yardbirds or lz?
Posted by Burt Reynolds
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:52 am to
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Led zeppelin didn't invent rock and roll

neither did the beatles
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 11:53 am to
No, they did not do that either. Nor did I claim they did.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:12 pm to
LZ was a very influential band, probably one of THE most, but come on. How is it possible to put them above The Beatles? It doesn't matter which band you like better.
Posted by Dr. 3
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:32 pm to
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I don't want to come off as defending LZ, but, back then wasn't it common to copy/use songs from other bands?


It was without any attribution and the original sleeve said music and arrangement by LZ.

It was common for covers back then, the Beatles covered Chuck Berry relentlessly but they never gave the impression they wrote "Roll Over Beethoven".

Listen to this Howard Stern segment. They go through song for song from I, its jarring how fricking bad they plagiarized

LINK

ETA: I love LZ, Physical Graffiti is one of my favorite albums, but such a transgression immediately removes you from the most influential anything.
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Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:41 pm to
crazy... never heard this interview before.

every LZ fanatic should hear this
Posted by Dr. 3
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:45 pm to
I cant listen now but IIRC only 2 of the songs from that album werent completely ripped off.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:48 pm to
it's amazing

people that defend them are clueless

I think they are a great band, but they stole 95% of the early music they recorded. Blatantly ripped off jake owens, joan baez, and countless others
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:20 pm to
I think people are getting way hung up on the title of the thread and not the arguments in the article itself, which really don't match "most influential band ever". Not really. The argument is that they are the Rock Star Acrchetype, which is much different.
Posted by NachoReb
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:37 pm to
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And metal


That'd be Black Sabbath
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:36 pm to
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The argument is that they are the Rock Star Acrchetype, which is much different


very different
Posted by Lucas Jackson
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:41 pm to
I was thinking about this last night. Every one of their songs from the first 4 albums is legendary.

I don't believe anyone else can say that.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:42 pm to
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I was thinking about this last night. Every one of their songs from the first 4 albums is legendary.

I don't believe anyone else can say that.


Best cover band ever!
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:19 pm to
Led Zeppelin didn't invent rock and roll, but no band has been more influential on musicians of the 80s and 90s. That's probably the greatest extent of their influential reach. There are a handful of bands who are clearly influenced by LZ today, but the majority are far more influenced by either 80s and 90s punk, dance, or rap.

The Beatles continue to be influential today, though it has clearly waned. The reason they are more influential than LZ is the shear breadth of their influence. They didn't just influence music, they influenced society as a whole.

However, I'm of the personal opinion that LZ was the better band, and probably the best band in history. They had a breadth of music that was pretty impressive, encompassing blues, gospel, hard rock, rock ballads, blue grass, and more, all of their influences being evident in their songs. Moreover, there really isn't a bad LZ song. Each well done in its own vein of music.

What's more, no other band can point to each of its four members and say, "He's in the top 3 [drummers, guitarists, front men, bassists] of all time." Not even the Beatles can do that, though each of the Fab 4 was a well known and renowned musician. Some will dispute Robert Plant. Some will dispute Jimmy Page. Some will dispute John Paul Jones. I don't think many will dispute Bonham. But even if you dispute them, they at least have a colorable argument. Each member of LZ is considered by music critics to be at least in the conversation for being the best at their respective craft, which to me is unheard of. They were a superband before superbands existed.

As for saying bands like The Yardbirds and Deep Purple and Cream existed prior to LZ, that's as may be (though I find it interesting that The Yardbirds are listed since Jimmy Page was the guitarist for them prior to LZ). Nevertheless, none of those bands had the attention of the world like LZ and none of them have continued to hold the attention of the world like LZ.

Again, Led Zeppelin didn't invent rock and they aren't the most influential band of all time, but they are certainly one of the best, if not the best, bands to have ever existed.
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